How Do I Live a Life of Abundance and Freedom When I Feel Trapped in My Day-to-Day Life?

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I It’s beyond therapy, the best healing experiences that you can have. Click the link below and comejoin us. How do I live a life of abundance and freedom, but I feel trapped by myday-to-day life?What’s up you guys? Welcome to the Therapy Brothers podcast. I’m Brandon. I’m Tyler. We’re brothers. We’retherapists. We’re not afraid of your questions. So, bring it.[Music]All right, Brandon, let’s uh jump into this one. This will be a fun one today. But uh before we do that, I’m just goingto read our review for for the week. It says, “I just wanted to let you knowwhat an impact you’ve had on our recovery and journey. I’ve learned so many skills and tools. I’m so gratefulto have found a resource with such great knowledge and experience and genuine concern. I’m impressed with your abilityto confront situations with no judgment and see what is underneath the surface and then try to help by teaching trueprinciples. It’s incredible. Oh, thank you. That’s awesome.Yeah. Um that is awesome. You know, we say that every week, Tyler. It’s like wesing our It’s a little awkward. It’s like, hey, let’s read something nice about ourselves, then let’s say that’sawesome. Yeah, maybe we need to switch it up with thereview thing or something. I don’t know. I don’t I don’t know. I love the reviews, though. We Well, we like the reviews because itit gives us some feedback that helps us know that whether or not we’re on the right track. But, uh yeah, but it doessound that way a little bit. Um well, you know what? we can own beinglike being catalysts in people’s lives and um without arrogance. We don’t haveto be arrogant about it or whatever, but uh like like seriously, Tyler, we we dohard work. We put ourselves out there. We we you know, we we’ve been through the trenches and and we pay the price.We we’ve paid the price with um just a lot the toll that it takes.And so, um, to get good feedback is kind of the reward a little bit and and itfeels good. And so, I do appreciate the reviews that we’re getting, right? It’s like it’s back in the daywhen I was a brand new therapist, I would like I couldn’t survive without those reviews. And now it’s like yousaid, the reviews really do they help with some motivation. They’re not necessarily the answer that we’re totally getting it right, but um, it’snice to hear and it’s nice to know. You know, everyone likes to know whether or not they’re doing something helpful or good for somebody. So,absolutely. We do appreciate the reviews. Thank you. Yeah. Well, Tyler, are you ready to getinto maybe a little bit different topic than what we normally talk about? Yeah. Um, I I just wanted to first givethe shout out I did on the last episode, but it’s nice to have you back. Sounds like you uh had a pretty awesome trip toPeru, and uh I’m glad you’re back. It sounds like you didn’t come home unscathed.No, I came home with a friend in my gut that’s wreaking havoc right now. So, ifI need to like head out of here in the middle of this episode, you’ll know why. Um, but yeah, Peru is uh I can’t evenbegin to uh explain what Peru is. Um, to me, it’swe stay in the sacred valley. Um, it’s spiritual. It’s beautiful. Um, if youhaven’t been there, Machu Picchu is just one part of it and Machu Picchu is incredible and I don’t want to downplaythat. That’s a very sacred place. Um, but the whole place is just full ofum, the energy of God and it’s beautiful. And so coming home fromthere, I’ve kind of had a deeper sense of self and purpose and and just justfeeling good about life other than my stomach. So yeah, it’s probably a nice price to pay thoughto be a little bit sick to still have the rejuvenation that’s come, you know, emotionally and spiritually.I would do it again and again. No question. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good. Well, I’m glad to have you back. It always works better when you’rehere. I don’t think so, Tyler. Your episodes are pretty awesome. So,um, should we dive in? Yeah, let’s do it. All right. So, where do we begin? I meanuh with our clients we see it all the time. I think with ourselves we canreally talk about our own journeys in terms of of wanting we all desire freedom. Financial freedom for for meit’s about my time. It’s about like waking up in the morning and thinking I I get to choose what I want to do withmy life. Um and I get to go to all my kids things. I get a you know but it’sit’s it’s it’s a good level of stress but not too much and then just havingthe time to live the life that you want to live and so we all kind of desire this rightyeah it might it might look different for everybody and I know this is a really good question today because I’m II feel the same thing I have the same questions I’m still trying to navigate these same questions myself so this willbe an interesting discussion because I think I’m getting some things right and I think I’m getting some things wrong So, umum yeah, I I mean, well, look, if I can speak to my experience a little bit,started my Well, at first I I just wanted a job. And when I got married,it’s like, I need to make some money. I need a job. I got a job, a 9 to5 in a cubicle with no windows around me atall. And I was depressed within a month. And I was thinking, this is this is corporate America. This is life. Thissucks. this is awful. This is this is prison. This is hell and this is what I’msupposed to do. Like this is kind of So I fell into this job that just sucked and I thought this isn’t going to be mymy story. This isn’t going to be my life, right? Um but then I I decided Ineed I’m supposed to help people. I’m supposed to connect to people. and you kind of um got me going a little bit andI and I went from being an economics major to that horrible job to I’m goingto go get a master’s in social work. Um, I got a masters in social work and toget licensed I had to work in a pretty bad situation.Just a county funded program just throwing hard clients at you, forced you, you know, clients that don’t wantto be there. And it was a 9 to5 again. And uh, the only difference is once Ihad my master’s degree, I was making half of what I made, you know, because I was a social workernow. Um, and so I worked through, got mylicense, but I I was on the brink, Tyler. I was done being a therapist. I I remember you calling mealmost weekly, it seemed like, saying, “Tyler, what have I done? Like, this is the stupidest decision I’ve ever made. Like, I can’t do this. Like, I’m burnedout. I’m tired. I I don’t know what I don’t know what to do.” Yeah. I was caught in the system. I wasin a high burnout job with really low pay. That sounds great, doesn’t it? Yeah. Wow. You’ve been there. You werethere for a long time. Yep. In the in the courts up in Idaho, right? Mhm.Um, so we we were both we kind of both went through this together. Um, but thenthis is the interesting part that I of the story of my story at least is I tooka few risks. Um, and I I went out on my own. I started a private practice after I got licensed after I worked in thiscounty funded program. And I thought if I get this practice tothrive then I’ve made it. Life is good, right? Um but a few things started tohappen. My my practice did thrive. It did well. But a few things started to happen. My burnout actually kind ofintensified because now I was running a business andI was doing 30 hours 40 hours of clinical work a week. um where I was,you know, and I was, you know, thinking about way too many people all at once and all of their problems. Um I wastrading time for money. So if I went on vacation, it would cost me a lot of money just totake my family, but it would cost me even more because of my opportunity cost. I I I’d lose so much money becauseI wasn’t grinding it out day in and day out. Boom, boom, boom. Right.Yeah. Um and and so that was really stressful to actually take a break andgo on vacation. And so I was strapped down again eveneven after all of the like trying to get out of this rat race. I was strapped down yet again in my private practice.And I was making more money than I than I ever had. And that was I was gratefuland that was wonderful. But I got to a point, Tyler, where I didn’t care how much the next client would pay me for asession. I I didn’t want to do another session,right? And that’s where I got. So, so how do you you know, like how doyou get out of that? Yeah. Well, but I want to just tack on to what you’re saying, Brandon, because I think even when you made the shiftfrom one degree to another area of work, part of it, you were lining up a littlebit differently to say, you know what, my heart’s maybe a little bit more in line with who I am and the kind of work that I want to do, but you still wentback to the same kind of grind that that led to you feeling tired and burned outand stressed as if you were like a hamster in a wheel, continually having to run just to make sure that you wereproviding for your family, which which in turn in some ways sap the life out ofthe real reason why you changed careers in the first place. Yes. Yes. And you know what’s else isinteresting, Tyler, is I used to tell myself like, man, if I can make a hundred grand a year, like if I couldmake a hundred grand, it doesn’t matter what I’d have to do, but if I could do that, then man, then I’ve made it. Likelife is good. That’s It doesn’t matter how much money you make. Like if you’rein that rat race, if you’re in that hamster wheel and it doesn’t matter, you make 100 grand then all of a sudden itfeels like you got to make 150, you got to make 200. Like a and and so yeah,it’s sapping the life out of me. The very reason why I got out of that 9-5hell hole of a job was to not have that feeling. And yet here I was years latermaking a lot more money, seemingly doing what I was made to do. and feelingtrapped still yet again. Right. Right. Right. So, so you’re bringing upone thing that I think a lot of people probably relate to is that idea of a dollar amount that’s going to lead to your happiness. And I think we there’seven some statistics and studies that show this that there’s only a certain amount of money that can actuallycontribute to happiness and everything after that is not really a factor. And Ithink the number is about $80,000. Yeah, I’ve heard that. And uh and so then that’s the idea that we can at thatpoint at least without an immense amount of stress cover all of our basic needs. But after that everything else we chaseis just an addition to an expanding lifestyle. But it never actually producesum that sort of like internal kind of joy or contentment or peace thatwe’re all that we’re all kind of looking for even though we continually assign a new number to it. I’ve been in the same boat, Brandon. It’s like if I make thisor if I make that or when I make this then it’s going to be okay. And you know what it it doesn’t, you know, it’s notit’s it’s not because that the that can’t just be the focus. Well, yeah. Infact, what you just described, Tyler, is scarcity mentality because it’s it’s you’re clawing and scraping to try toget to a certain number to to be like, okay, okay, now now I can be that thatmentality. If if you’re training yourself to be in that mentality that then when you hitthat number, you’re still going to be in that mentality, right? Abundance abundance mentality is much differentthan that scarcity mentality of I’ve got to get that much in order to then be okay, right?Yeah. Explain explain abundance mentality a little bit, Brandon. Well, like you know, abundance iseverywhere. the the like the law of attraction, abundanceum is is kind of everywhere right now. But to me, this is what it means is umwhen you manifest abundance and if it let’s say it’s financially that we’re talking about then um you have theenergy that will create abundance in your life. And so when you have thatenergy, then things just start to happen. You start to see things that you normally wouldn’t see. You start toconnect to people that you normally wouldn’t connect to. You start to make decisions that you normally wouldn’tbecause most of us have been conditioned into scarcity and fear in our life whenit comes to money. Um so so when you shift from scarcity to abundance, you’reoperating in a place of power, not in a place of force anymore. and you’re creating things that are ofvalue to the world and the abundance flows back into your life. And and soit’s incredible when you when you experience it because it’s completelydifferent than everything I just told you about my story. Yeah. Yeah. Could I could I share anexample of what you’re describing, Brandon, as you’re talking? This came to mind. Um our our profession especiallypeople in private practice is notorious for scarcity mentality. Uh therapists aretherapists are notorious for scarcity mentality where it’s like I have to get a client and I can’t refer anybody elseanywhere else and I’m going to be a master of every sing every single kind of therapy that we do. If a client comes through the door, I’m going to keepthem. And it’s like which hurts the client which it actually hurts the whole profession because it then pairs clientsup with the wrong therapists and then there’s a bad outcome and then there’s a bad name and then it doesn’t help anybody. Um, but I I when I got into thefield, I was working in that place in the drug courts of southeastern Idaho. And I had a boss who was a very abundantmentality kind of a guy. And he was the kind of guy who would sit down in my like quarterly reviews and we’d talkabout my job, but then he’d actually crack open his books and he’d show me what the business was doing and how torun the business and exactly what kind of programs he was running was making him successful. And he he showed me thathe had like he had just over the over the few years he’d been running the business, he’d accumulated over amillion dollars in slush fund just so that he could run his business and pay his therapist for four months if he ever lost his funding, you know, and likeand and then he’d come to me and he’d send me to trainings and he paid for me to go to training. He spent up to upfrom $2 to $5,000 a year on every one of his employees to send them to trainings.And one day I asked him, I said, ‘You realize, you realize that by sending all of us to trainings, you’re making usbetter and you’re going to lose a lot of therapists, including me probably, as a result of the fact that you’ve given metraining and made me better so I can go out on my own. And he said, “Yeah, I totally understand that.” And he said, “That’s what’s so cool aboutthis is that then I have good places and good people to refer to because I have too many clients.” Yeah.You know, and uh and I thought, “Wow, that’s a that’s amazing.” Amazing. And then he went and then he went a step further and when I decided to go out onmy own, he actually made it possible at my work to work the hours I wanted to atthat job until I could make the jump on my own to fully sustain myself. And he was my biggest cheerleader.He’s helping you be his competitor basically. Yeah. Basic basically. And he was and hewas all on board with it. He was excited for me about it. And and that’s something you don’t see in our worldtoday, but that mentality is what made him so successful at what he was doing.I love this example, Tyler. I mean, you can hear it in in the example of of him, and I know who you’re talking about. Um,but look at how he’s paying for training. So, scarcity mentality would say, I need to get rich, so I’m notgoing to pay like I can’t spend $5,000 on each one of my therapists. Like, I because I’m trying to get that dollarnumber. So what happens is you they’re hoarding money out of fear and they’renot building out their business. So they don’t have a bunch of loyal therapists that love them that create awesomethings in that business. Whereas Kip I know who he’s he’sshout out to you Kip. Yeah. He’s the man. He’s but but Kip is like hey put it out there. Put it outthere. Money there. Money flows. Money moves and it flows. And so if you’reunwilling to let it flow out, then you’re unwilling then it’s not going to just start flowing in. And so you gotand and you be smart about where you let it flow. Invest, you know, you put your money out there. But what it takes toput it out, Tyler, is faith. And and the opposite of of faith is fear, scarcitymentality. So, you won’t invest and you won’t you won’t put it out there tocreate things if you’re caught up in that scarcity mentality, right? Do doyou see what I’m saying? Absolutely. Um and and and you’ll be scraping for the next dollar is what you’ll be doingas opposed to I’m going to like I’m going to like take the risk. I’m going to put the money out there. I’m going tobuild for example my business now. Um, it’s it’s crazy the amount of expensethat we spend every month. Like I look at that and it’s way more than than Iever dreamed of making in a month. The expense for my business, you know.Yeah. But I know that like I I will invest good dollars in this business again andagain and again because that’s how we’ve built this thing out. You see what I’m saying?Right. And and I want to add another piece to what you’re saying, Brandon, because if we go back to Kip’s example or your example as well, Kip’s focus hasnever really been just the money either. His focus has been on we have so manypeople who need so much help. There’s purpose that I’ve got to figure out how to helpas many people as I can. Right? So, so then in doing that the the shift in thementality changes from running a little business to just make sure I pay my bills into a more into a place of likewhat’s what’s the marker impact that I want to leave on this world, you know? Yep.And then the money finds the money finds its way back when when that’s when there’s a different primary focus.The best investment you can make is into your purpose, right? And so if you have this vision ofof what you’re doing and what you’re creating and you know that God needs it and there’s demand there, then investthere. Invest in learning, invest money, invest like invest there because that’swhere you’ll be blessed to build that out. Um Tyler, can we can we shift gearsa little bit? Sure. I want to tell you a story. Um so it was really interesting. I started to createsome shifts um some major shifts and I started to realize I’m it was you know Iwas turning I was getting in into my 40s and I realized I’m like I’ve I’mspending half my life here. Maybe it was a bit of a midlife crisis but it’s like I’m not going to live this way. I’m not going to be burned out man anymore. Umand so I made some changes and it was scary and it was hard and it was exciting and it was fun. And I washiking on a Thursday afternoon with one of my buddies at 2:00 in the afternoon.And we were just out in the mountain hiking at 2:00 in the afternoon. I think I had put in like 2 hours, 3 hours ofwork that day. And I remember this kind of gut-wrenching, uncomfortable feelingof you can’t enjoy yourself on a Thursday afternoon at 2:00. You should be working.I my my gut turned inside when I heard you say that. Um and think think of that. What isthat? That’s that’s playing. It’s it it makes me think of like the movie The Matrix.That’s like, you know, being just in the mundane world that is expected foreverybody to do your 9 to5. How dare you have a day off. You know, it’s like whenwhen’s the best time to go hiking in the mountains? It’s on any weekday because everybody else is basically back in their cubicle.Who says that I should be working on a Thursday afternoon? What voice is that?Yeah, that voice has so it has power. It has a lot of power. I think it’s I think it’s socialization. I think it’sthe way we’re raised. I think it’s uh I think it’s also fear. You know, it’s that same scarcity mentality you’retalking about, right? Like if if I have freedom and I have abundance, which I do. I have anabundance of time and money and and and so like why why can’t I enjoy a Thursdayafternoon hike and I realized that and that’s that’s my group. I have one groupthat I run and they make fun of me because I’m golfing and hunting all the time. They’re like, “Yeah, I’m sureyou’re going to like get three rounds in and go hunting with your brother, you know, between the next time we see it.”And I’m like, and I look at them, they kind of laugh and then they go off to their 9 to5 that they hate. But I I Ilook at them, I’m like, heck yeah, I am. Yeah, if I can make that happen. And it’s not that I live a selfish life, Idon’t think. Um, but heck yeah, I am. I’m going to enjoy life because I can, and I’m not going to feel guilty aboutit. Right. So, so yeah. So Brandon, what what would you say to the listenersright now who just heard what you said and said, “Oh, that’s easy for you to say since you have abundance and money and you go do whatever you want.” Likeyou don’t you don’t even understand me. I’m the common man who does have the nineto-5. Like they’re even you outright now because what you just said. What do you how do you how do you respond to them? So I was meeting with a client uh acouple years ago and he uh he he had a a young family. He had three young kids.Um, and he had a job that he hated. Um, like really hated and it was a hard job.He worked in mental health and and it was a hard job and and he didn’t make much money at all and he was depressedand he was acting out in an addiction and he was he was shut down in life. Um,and and a big part of it was what he did every single day. And I I said to him, Isaid like, “Hey, why don’t you go make like $200,000 next year?” Andand and he looked at me and he’s like, “That’s funny.” And I’m like, “No, I’m not kidding. Like, why don’t you go makelike $200,000 and and why don’t you do it in a way where it’s not so stressful?” And he’s like, “You freakingidiot.” Like, that’s not even funny. Like, uh, I’m like, “I’m not kidding. Go do it.” And and he he he looked at melike, “I can’t. I know that I can’t. Like, you’re being ridiculous.And from my vantage point, Tyler, I was not kidding because I know he’s capableof doing that. He just doesn’t know he’s capable of doing that. And so, and andhe’s like, “Well, how what do I do?” And the first thing he’s he has tocompletely shift his energy into from scarcity to abundance. But my here’s mypoint, Tyler. the people that get pissed off at me saying, “Yeah, I enjoy life. Yeah, I have abundance with my time andmy money.” Um, I’ve been them. I’ve been them. And And th those peoplethat would get pissed off at that are the people who are still saying, you know what, I it’s it’s righteous of meor I can’t get out of this. Um, and so I’m stuck. I’m stuck. I’m stuck. thepeople that hear me say I live an abundant life and and realize that I’ve gone from from burnout and scarcity tothis that the the people who who see that and say good for him that’s awesomethose are the people that that are going to go do it themselves. You see what I’m saying? Yes. Yeah. So you hit on somethingbrown. I I agree with you 100%. I think a lot of times when we talk about this concept, the person who’s hearing thisgoes, “Okay, well then what are the steps?” Like, “What do I do to to then, you know, if I’m going to if my goal isto make a couple hundred,000, which I would submit is maybe not the best goal, but if that’s your goal, go for it.That’s fine. We all we’re all motivated differently.” Um, it’s I don’t think I don’t think money as agoal is a problem. Yeah. I I don’t I don’t see it as a problem, but I don’t know that to me it’s likeI like the purpose behind it. There’s got to be there’s got to be some purpose to why you want to go do it or else there’s no reason. II agree. You know, I um but but what you’re saying is is that most people even when you go like read abook in like the self-help aisle, they’re looking for a stepby-step do this, then do this, then do this, then do this, and then and then you’ll bethen you’ll be better. And what you’re saying right now is before any of those steps are actually ever going to happen,because you’re not going to do any of those things that somebody can map out, there has to be a fundamental shift fromthe inside out that says, “Yeah, I’m I’m capable.You see the vision. I can actually do this.” Like I can see, you know, it I can see the vision. It’s alreadybasically being created inside of me internally now and going, “Yeah, not only is it not only is it a pipe dreamnow, this is like something that can actually happen.” You know, it and we live we live in a world right nowthat it’s actually easier than ever to live a life of abundancethan ever than ever before. Yes. Right now. So So Tyler, here’s thething. So it’s interesting. I I I woke up this morning and my wife had thislike this like businessy self-help book on her nightstand and and that’s not like her to read that. I was like, “Oh,interesting.” Um it’s like how to lose your 9 to5 or whatever book, right? And I said, you know, it’s interesting,honey. I bet that book’s full of good stuff. Like I bet it is so like it’s probably loaded full of good stuff. Justlike I believe our episode right now, Tyler, is full of good stuff, right? people people get stuck in reading thatstuff or consuming the content and they that’s not that’s not what matters iseducation’s helpful it’s empowering but but people they they they hide rightthere they feel they they get a sense of oh I’m changing I’m getting abundant just because I’m reading it but there’sthere’s one there’s one thing one one thing that matters um I I believe thatyou look at your life and you say, “Okay, I want something to shift. So, I’m going to I’m going to have a theoryabout what I can create. I don’t know it yet for sure, right? I’m going to go educate myself about how to createthat.” So, that’s kind of the next step. Um, I’m going to start to make a plan.That’s the next step. That’s all awesome. So, I’m kind of going in order here. I’m going to make a plan about what I’m actually going to go create anddo. Whether it’s I’m gonna get this job or I’m gonna create this business or I’m gonna Okay. Now, everybody likes tofocus on you won’t do it because of the fear of failure. Okay. And so what they say is if youdon’t have fear of failure, then you’ll actually go forth and do it. I I thinkthat’s BS. I think that we all have fear of failure. Um and and some people takethat fear of failure and they just stay stunted and don’t do anything.But the most important thing from from all of the very successful people I know, um the most important thing of allthese steps is the very next step, which is do it. Just jump. Just just blah.Like put it out there. Um and when you put it out there, it might suck.Like it might be really messy and maybe maybe you get zero followers or zero buyers or or or you don’t get that jobthat you go for or whatever it is like but but after thateither maybe you’ll succeed maybe maybe you’ll thrive and it’ll go and you’ll have the life that you want but afterthat this is what this is what the abundant people know is after you put itout there then everything’s awesome. Awesome. Everything’s perfect because you’regoing to get exactly what you need in that moment. You’ll either get somelearning, some tweaking, some you’re paying some tuition, or you’re going to get some some some success, some money,some whatever it is, right? Then it’s just going to happen. But there’s not anexpectation of I need to make this amount of money in order for me to say, “Yay, I did the right thing. Now I’mvalidated. Now I’m justified.” an abundant person has that level of acceptance and faith to their vulnerablejump. Am am I making sense? Yeah. Basically, what you’re saying is is not only do you have to get throughthe fear and take action, but then after the action, whatever comes after the action is exactly what you need to keepmoving forward. And and you just said the important part, keep moving forward, right?You keep that vision going no matter what happens after you go. So if we get obliterated by something, you know, I goand step off. We step off. Like let’s let’s just say when the first the first the first podcast we did together, howmany listeners do you think we had? Oh, millions. Uh I think I think we might haveconvinced mom and dad to listen, you know, and and if we and if we wouldhave launched that first podcast and then sat there and watched the numbers roll in, we would have been like, “Oh, well, we might as well not do thisanymore.” But instead, it was like, “No, we have a we have a feeling that we can make a difference for people in theworld. It doesn’t really matter how many people are listening to us because we want to get better at this. We want to try to make help people who willlisten.” And and all of a sudden, this thing is starting to now move a little bit in terms of numbers. Butwe we’ve learned as we’ve gone. And and that’s the thing that I think the fixed mindset person, the scarcity mindsetperson, they take they might even take one step and jump off only to find outthat it was cold in the water. So they jump back out and they go, “No, that that’s proof like I I can’t do it.”Instead of saying, “Yeah, I can I can act, you know, get acclimated to the temperature of the water. I can actually learn to swim here and I can actuallyuse this as a learning growing like thing for me.” Yes. Yes. Exactly. And and and you knowwhat, Tyler, I’m talking about like like I’ve mastered this. Um no, like I I’m inthe process there’s there’s certain parts of my life that I still want more freedom. Um and I want more abundance.And so I’m in the process of examining those parts of my life and saying, “Okay, like what what do I what do Ineed to face? What fear is there that I need to deal with? and and how can I howcan I jump in um right now so I can be released from the the hell rightI think I think that’s an important thing Brandon to say that this is this is an incremental principled ongoingprocess thing instead of a one-time thing you know I’m thinking like I’m definitely not where I want to be interms of even adopting and keeping this abundant mentality we’re talking about but I’m different now today much betterthan I was you know 15 years ago uh 10 10 years ago when when I was goingto home from my day job every single day going to my wife saying I should go out on my own. I should go on my own. Ishould go to my She finally stopped me one day and said, “Why don’t you?” And I said, “Well, I can’t because because ifI fail, then you guys will be sleeping under an overpass.” And she she came to me one day and she put her arms on myface and she said, “Tyler, I would rather be married to a guy who tries and fails than a guy who never tries atall.” Yeah. And and when that shifted, there’s there’s like there’s an increment there where it’s like, oh,yeah, I can go. What’s wrong with failure? Like, that’s okay. Like, you know, now I can go fail. Now, it’s beena 10-year process where I’m trying to grow more and more into that place, and I’m much deeper and better into thisabundant mentality than I was 10 years ago, and I still have a long, long way to go. Do you remember Tyler uh a fewyears back we were driving somewhere and you you were saying like I just got to get out of debt. I just got to get outof debt. Once I’m out of debt then I’m good. Then I’m good. Then I’m good. You know then I’ll be fine. And do you remember what I said to you?Are you well you’ve given me many lectures over the years so I’m not sure which one it is. Well it was this. I I said it wassomething like this. Like I don’t know how many times I’ve heard that, you know, and like if you keep repeating toyourself that narrative, like that’s going to where that’s right where you’re going to live.I think that’s what you said to me. I said the fact that you’re saying those things, Tyler, means that five or six years from we’ll be in the car togetherand you’ll be having the same conversation. Yeah. And the point the point I want to make with this is and and sorry I’musing you as an example here. That’s all good. But it’s our uh you know what changes our energy is ourthoughts in many ways. And so when you have these scarcity thoughts come up,don’t hate them. Don’t don’t uh fight against them, but just notice them. Alot of them are so unconscious and automatic. Um, like I remember a lot of thoughts that I used to have of likelike you know I I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to to fully support myfamily type thoughts. Um or or like thoughts of we’re always we’re alwaysstrapped for money or we’ll never keep our budget. We’ll never bl those type of thoughts um actually are the thoughtsthat then I create that in my life because that’s what I see. And it’s beenfascinating. Even when you make more money, you still feel strapped for money and that you’ll always be financially strapped because that’s still whatyou’re seeing, right? As opposed to thought and you can changeand replace those thoughts. If you’re thinking once I’m out of debt, then we’ll be okay.What I mean, what could you replace that with? Well, you could I could replace I could replace it with something like I do areally good job of providing for my family or um you know, the fact that II don’t know exactly about the debt one. It’s like um I’m I’m capable of managing my own finances.No, go further, man. Go fur. Come on. Let’s push this. Go further.Because what you’re saying, Tyler, is once I’m out of debt, I’ll be okay. You’re saying I’m not okay.You’re saying like because I’m in debt, I’m poor. Like there there’s an element of like I’m still not abundant. Right.Right. And well and and then debt to means poor and poor means bad which again is all of that is is scarcitymentality. Right. Oh debt good debt means means wealthy if you if you read certain books.Right. Right. Um so the point being Tyler is if you’re in that that loop of once I’m outof debt then I’ll be okay. Then you’re saying to yourself I’m poorand I’m not okay. And it even gets down to levels of shame as a father, as a husband, as aprovider, like deep levels of shame there, right? Mhm. Where let’s say you had I’m just makingthis up. Let’s say you had $50,000 debt. What if you what if you believed thatyou were an abundant man who is going tocreate abundance in your life? What if you had $50,000 of debt? Are you just in straight denial?No. No, not at all. I don’t think so. I mean, I I mean, I’ve got that debt, butI also have the belief in myself that I can go and create a way to to kind of take care of that debt.Yes. I think what you’re get you’re getting at here is that the belief in selfis is the difference between those two places. Yes. That’s exactly what I’m try likeI’m trying to show how how shifting your energy and and and your the way you’re showing up is the first step,right? It’s kind of like let me give you this analogy. Um if I’m if I’m a fat guythat thinks I’m well, which I am. UmI shouldn’t say that. It’ll ruin my analogy here. If I’m a fat guy who thinks you’re fat and out of shape andso you better lose weight so that you can be in shape. Um, then I’ll go losesome weight for a while. I’ll feel good about myself and then I’ll I’ll gain all the weight back because deep down I knowI’m a fat guy that’s out of shape. That’s what I believe I am. So that’s what I’m going to I might I might for atime get out of that but then I’ll go back to that. If I if let’s say I’m fat and I got a big gut and I believe I’m afit man um who’s who’s in like a really I havean amazing body who’s that’s healthy, right? And I happen to have some fat onmy body right now of this amazing fit man that I am. Right. Do you see thedifference? Yeah. If you actually believed that that was the truth that you’re a fit manaccording to what we’re talking about today, you’re going to systematically start to move in the direction of havinghaving congruency line up with itself. Yes. It’s the be do have principle. It’s I’m going to be that fit man first andthen I’ll go do the things to become the fit man because I already know that’s what my be is. That’s who I am,right? Y um and and we we get that backwards with with life so much and and and and wethink that applying scarcity thoughts and mentalities will actually get us out of scarcitywhich is insanity. Right. Right. As you’re talking Brandon, I’m thinking of one of the and againthis is sound arrogant. I don’t mean it to be but one of the I be things you’re talking about the things that I’ve cometo know that I am is that I I believe this. I’m I’m a work in progress, but Iam a force for good in the world. And and it has already started to manifest itself that way that I can look aroundnow and say, “Yeah, there’s some there’s some proof now that shows that that’s actually true.” And you don’t even need that proof. You,Tyler, you are you are a force for good. Like, and you always have been. And you’ve always believed that about yourself. And so that’s what you’ve beenin the world, right? To your family, to your clients, to that’s why you get the reviews you get. I mean, we we hear themevery week. So, right, right. No, but you really are a force for goodbecause you know that that you are. Something has been instilled in you,right? So, and I think that that’s come with that that hasn’t just showed up either. That comes with cultivation andwork. And so, that’s what I’m saying. Like, we’ve talked a lot about money today, but it might be other things. Um,what are you? Who are you? You know, I’m asking listeners to to actually sit down with yourself and don’t be so afraid ofyour own thoughts to actually sit and ponder about who are you, not not what you’re bad at.Who are you? Yeah. And uh and let let it start there and then start cultivating that and let itwork out. But but Tyler, I want So so as they see these thoughts of who they are, well,I’m I’m not lovable. I’m a pervert. I’m uh I’m fat. I’m ugly. that’s who I am,right? So, when those thoughts start to come up, then what do they do? Yeah, that’s uh well, that’s that’s thechallenge. This is something that I learned a long time ago when I was doing my own work that uh that I had thosethoughts. I’m a failure. I’m weak. I’m inadequate. I’m never going to be enough. And I I learned a skill and itwas the self-compassion skill that every time I felt that body because that would be a cellular feeling on on top of athought. Oh, I get done with the session. Oh, I just failed. It’s like, nope. Truth is, everybody fails once ina while. You’re a work in progress. And I would I would flip that new thing onto the new new place that I was trying totrain myself to believe, which is truth is you’re a work in progress. You’re a force for good. God’s going to make youinto the man he exactly needs you to be. And all you got to do is continue to move forward. And then I go and I do onekind thing for myself to remind myself of that. And I get back on the horse and going. And and that’s that over time, itwasn’t instant, but over time that has caused a shift in me personally. Yes. I love it. That so that’s a way toshift your thinking and shift your beliefs. Yeah. So we lose sight. I always say peopleask me like what is recovery? And I say recovery is recovering a sense of who you are beyond the trauma. So the lifeexperiences have told you who you are. And what recovery is is it’s it’s it’srelearning through experience about who you actually are. It’s regaining your nobility. And so when youknow who you actually are, then you’re going to behave different. You’re going to create different. You’re going to resonate different in this world. Um andyou’ll get different outcomes. And the outcome won’t be, you know, numbing your life out with an addiction.So, um, and it’s the same thing if you’re in a a horrible job and in a lifethat you’re suffering and not okay with, then shifting some of those beliefs about who you are, and then puttingthings out there, taking some risk, learning along the way, it’ll shift whoyou are, and so you’ll continue to show up differently, get different outcomes, and not live in that hell anymore.Yeah. Well said, Brandon. Good topic today. Yeah, this has been awesome. Gooddiscussion. So, so, uh, next year you’re doing what, like 500,000 of passive income, Tyler?Yeah, why not? Yeah, I like that. Yes. Good answer. Not why not. It’s It’s Hell yeah, I am.In fact, in fact, I’ve pretty much already earned it. I just need to go get the money, you know? It’s alreadyYeah, it’s already there. It’s already there. I love it. Yes. All right, Brandon. Good job today,ma’am. All right. Have a good one. We’ll see you guys. See you. 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