Stories from the longest night

stories from the longest night. Brandon, man, it’s good to see you, dude.Uh, good to see you, too, man. It’s a little bit different time. Yeah, it is. It’s a It’s a muchdifferent time. According to my children, we’re like, they’re counting the hours. We’re like,I don’t know, like 36 hours away from Christmas. So, um, it’s Yeah, it’s adifferent time. 36 hours from Christmas on an afternoon with two of our favoritefavorite dudes ever. Uh, this episode’s going to be amazing. This is This one’s going down in the record books.I hope I hope so, man. Gear up, audience, because it’s going to be awesome.Yeah. Yeah. We actually um we we normally record on Mondays, you know, inthe mornings for a couple of hours and then we kind of put the the podcast out. And you did that. You actually coveredme because of the event that we had just on from Sunday into Monday. Then that’s what we’re going to be talking abouttonight. But you didn’t go all the way to the top. So you kind of covered me because I was just so sleepd deprived. Idon’t think I would have been any good anyway. So you did our normal episodes, but we were just all kind of feelingso much of like pun intended the burn from this weekend that uh we wanted toget on and do a special episode. And so that’s what we’re here to do. So let Tyler, let’s dive in. Um we haveuh Chase and McCall with us today. Um I’m gonna turn it over to Chase um forjust a minute to give us some context as to what we’re actually talking about anduh what actually happened. So uh Chase, uh fill us in.Uh first I just want to go ahead and acknowledge that uh Tyler and Brandon are wearing the Christmas colors. It’slike you coordinated your shirts. I’ll go green, you go red. Oh, Brandon’s even wearinghis shirt for anyone who’s on YouTube.Jolly AF with a picture of Santa. King of Jingaling right here.If you didn’t know, this is his favorite time of year. Yes. Yes, it is.Oh, man. Um, yeah. No, I’m I’m excited to be here with you guys. I uh we justgot done with this this very unique event. We’ve never hosted itbefore. Um uh this signal fire plus winter solstice. Um I know if you’relistening probably some of you either were attending or had heard about it. We we sent out some messaging around it.But um it was amazing. It was a uh youknow just give a little more context. it the the idea was let’s let’s hold a fireuh on top of a mountain from sunset uh to sunrise over the longest night andmaintain that fire and just see what the experience yields uh there for me and II don’t know what you guys can speak to this yourselves but I didn’t really know what was in store. I I knew it was goingto be a lot a lot of suffering, a lot of uh cold weather. The wind blew literally the entire night. Uh you’re up onexposed rock and in a pretty high cool chilly place. Um we kind of scored nothaving snow and other torrential weather that that could have happened. But umall of the things that I did anticipate, they were there, but there was so muchmore that I did not anticipate. And those are the things that I I thinkthat’s part of why I personally am drawn to experiences because you don’t know what you’re going to get. Like you canset something up and you think it’s going to go one way and then boom, all of a sudden uh you know other peopleshow up or other personalities or people sharing certain stories or um somebodybringing their favorite snack and it’s something you’ve never had. Uh yeah, chaChase, can can we back up just a little and and just explain or help theaudience understand? You’re kind of explaining the what, but what was the intent? Like the give us the why.Yeah. I mean, it’s all about hope. Um you know, the work that the four of usare engaged in, we see a lot of people that come to us and they are broken.They feel shattered, pieces everywhere. And a lot of the time, I know you guysget this, they don’t feel like there’s a way to put it back together. They don’t feel like uh like it’s worth the effort,like um like it’ll actually pay off. Like they could experience something more than just okay. Like maybe I’ll getback to something like together. But to be able to do something like this eventwhere we’re focused on such a deep symbol, darkness, like dark, dark, dark,longest amount of dark all year, longest amount of dark. Um, and not just that,but the the beauty at the beginning and the end. Like being able to have haveendured the night and seen beauty inside of the night. Like that was somethingthat struck me, seeing the beauty inside of the night and and then seeing thatsun come up the next morning. I mean, all those symbols, if if if you can’t see an obvious metaphor here, like Idon’t I don’t know how else to to feed that. It’s it was so beautiful, soimpactful. And more than that, it we did this with the intention of it feelinglike a communal process, a community experience. It wasn’t just McCall wentup a mountain and did this thing on his own. Um, or you know, B down at yourplace or something like that. like everything was an invitation for people to come and share this experience andand to share themselves inside of it. So it it for me it was all about the thehope sharing aspect and feeling like no I can relate to these people like I’vesuffered. So has he so has she and I’ve got a thing that I’m a burden I’mcarrying right now. So does he so does she. Um and that that just felt thatfelt so good. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome.Yeah. Uh, so we kind of wanted to come together just because of what took place. I think all of us have slightlydifferent angles on the event and what it meant to us and and particularly someof the stories that we experienced as part of our experience. And we were kindof thinking that maybe other people who attended might have similar things too. So we wanted to just share some of thosethings before we jump into it. Um, Sunrise was just sharing some of thestats and we figure that over the course of the night we had 32 people that madeit up to the actual fire, which was a hard hike. Which was like really hard hike.Like even for people, ridiculous hard.Yeah. Yeah. So, we had 32 people have the make the choice on a cold night tomake that hike to come be a part of it in the middle of the night in the middle of the winter. And then we hadhow many people join us via Zoom? Over a hundred people join us on Zoom. Yeah.And throughout through throughout the night. So, we figure that there was at least 150 people that participated insome fashion throughout the night in in whatever capacity they could or they chose to.And um and I think every single person probably had their own experience. So, we’re just going to share some of oursand maybe they line up with some of yours if you’re listening. And if you weren’t there, hopefully you’ll be able to feel some of the same things that wewere feeling in this. That’s why we want to do it is we want to share it with everyone that we can because it wasmeaningful to us. Um, one of the things that I I wanted toto ask MCL about specifically, um, McCall, you you were there on top of the mountain when we lit the fire. Um, whatwas that experience like for you? There was aan incredible feeling that kind of came across me. And I think part of the reason why was we’re lighting the fireand if I’m going to be honest, it took a lot longer than I thought it was going to to like actually catchand we had a torch. We’re just like waiting. Are are you not an Eagle Scout, Micole?Apparently, even if I am, I’m not a good enough one.And yeah, Nate’s got this torch, Teddy, and he’s just like blasting away. And ittook a minute, but as that’s going and it’s starting to light up, something really incredible happened. That to mewas a gift from God. And that is the sun ducked behind this like cloud cover andgave us the most incredible sunset. And the colors of the sunset matched thecolors of the fire. And to just watch that kind of igniteand dance, it was just here’s something seemingly small. It’s afire and the sun going down. Something that’s common, but it was beautiful. Andit was just a simple little reminder to me that evenknowing what we were going to go into in this darkest night and the length oftime that that was going to take that there’s still beauty and goodness that can come from like those hardships,those trials. You know, one of the ideas, uh, McCall that I I I love you’re hitting on this,like it kind of felt like we lit our fire and then God lit his fire. Like, Imean, we got this image pulled up and you can see uh just how brilliant thesky was. And in addition to that, not just where the the the colors are brightest and and it’s that orange thatthat mimics each other, but um but there’s also a ton of gray and glooinessand dark and brown and dreary. Um and it it was it was just the perfect call andresponse of um hey God, we’re we’re really trying to show up and do this thing and maybe make a difference inhelping someone carry their burden uh tonight. like please uh show us yourhand and boom, across the way there it is. And this Yeah, that was profound tome as well. Yeah. And I think too, the other thing that struck me about all that was just the fact that it’d been sogloomy and kind of rainy and whatnot for quitea while now that I don’t I normally I’m trying to pay attention to the sunrises and the sunsets now. And I actuallydon’t remember the last time we really saw a sunset just because of all therain and things that we’ve been getting up in Cash Valley. So, it’s a nice likepoignant like, hey, I’m here from Godwatching it. I was I wasn’t there. I was actually watching it on the Zoom feed and it it was still spectacular inwatching it go. There was another part that happened as you guys were lighting it. It took longer than I expected it toas well. And I was like, I’m sure you guys are like panicking like this is supposed to look cool. Like light it up like a signal fire like and it was justkind of like slowly building, but you could see that it was catching. And then as it started to catch, then it reallystarted to go. And something that was cool watching it on Zoom is right at the angle where you guys had put the camera,somehow the way you set the trees in there as it lit up, there was in theshape of a giant heart facing the camera, it was like this flaming heartthat was there before the wood finally got consumed and then turned into like the full fire. And yeah, we planned that. We totallyplanned that. some some people on Zoom were talking about that and I was like that was thatthat was maybe for some people its own form of a kind of a little I call them God winks where like hey I’m here andnow there’s all of a sudden this like it kind of to me symbolized the whole energy of what we were trying to create throughout the night and I felt that onmy own for sure at multiple different points in the night. Um, and I thinksomething that’s cool is that all of us kind of had a different take on this because we had a different experience even throughout the night. You know,where Brandon and I were at a family party and then left and I went one placeto go climb to the top and Brandon went to another place to go join another fire. You guys all had your experiencewith being up there way before the fire even got lit, getting things ready. Andum and I’d love to hear, you know, I’d love to hear kind of how those things all kind of came together for us to bein different places but to have a same kind of energy at the end of it all. Well, you know, uhwe made trips leading up to the signal fire. We made trips up the mountain toprep. Like that wood wasn’t just laying around and you just pile it on easy. UmTyler, you made trips up there. Your daughter made trips. McCall made a trip literally the day before um and took afriend up there. Uh there was a lot of work that went into the cutting andfinding a deadfall and and I mean it’s it’s pretty rocky up there. So you’rehauling this thing. Uh after having hiked an an incred incrediblychallenging steep hike, you’re out there doing more work and labor. And um for methere were there were points where I was so physically exhausted from having done just that side of things, stockpilingour our wood. Um I would sit down and just kind of look at I don’t know if youever felt this, but um I would think, well, what the hell am I doing? Like whywhy am I not like down hanging out with my daughter or my kids or something, you know? Like I’m up on a mountain justchopping wood and piling it. Like what what is the point of all this? But but then I I I also had one singularexperience um when I was up there by myself uh sitting down and justenvisioning sitting down and just envisioning what what this could be like. Um and I I felt God’s presence uhpress me like, hey, this is this is for a purpose. This isn’t just somewhimsical idea. um this was something that we were given and that the work that we put into itmade a difference. Um so I I felt that beforehand like hey this is this is allgoing to be for something and that that was pretty exciting to me. Can I can I mention something aboutabout like I think what it’s for a little bit. Um what you’re talking about Chase is it it’s really cool to me andinteresting to me that Chase comes up with this hairbrain idea. Now, I’m gonna talk about hairbrain idea in a second,but Chase comes up with this idea, right? And uh next thing you know, yougot a guy like McCall um hiking straight up a mountain at more than once umstanding staying up there all night long, feeding the fire. Um and just allin, all in. And I showed up um and what do you know? Like there there’s thewandering air raator like right there. I’m just and and Terl and Sarge show up and then there’s Chris and Ed and likeand and I know Pyro is a part of it, right? So, it’s like I just know these dudes are are in like they’re brothersand um and they’re just community to tome it’s beyond community and um to watch I I know Chase that you had this ideaand I I I give you all the credit in many ways and I know you don’t want that.Yeah. No thanks. Um Yeah. But but also like you like afire, you lit the the the spark, but then the the flames burned umbecause of everybody else and adding wood to the fire together collectively.Um and and I just think I I just left feeling so much love and so muchcommunity for all all the men and women that that participated.M um McCall, do you remember what what phrase you used? Uh a I think it waslike the week before you had a phrase that if if we build it,they will come. They will come. You’re stealing from Field of Dreams. But yeah, you know that that idea um you know,Brandon, to your point, we had a roster of of who we thought we might see. youknow, people sign up so we can kind of anticipate if we’re bringing extra waters and snacks and chairs and pads,whatever else. Um, we had people that weren’t on the roster show up. Um, oneof them started hiking at 12 midnight. Wow. With his son with his like 13-year-oldson. Um, he I’m starting to feelsomething around this. Um he was driving in from out of town with his his kids and they saw the fire fromTmont as they’re coming around and um he said I’m I’m going up there like we’regoing up there. He had no intention of me. He was just going to go home, go to sleep, you know, it’s late. Um but he rallied one of hisboys and said, “Hey, let’s let’s go to the top.” Um, we had uh another guy umjust show up. You know, we we thought this is probably everybody. We had another guy just show up. He just kind of walks in and we’re like,”What the hell’s showed up?” And um he didn’t tellanybody he was coming. He just showed up. And we asked him like, “Hey, what what was that about?” He said, “Yeah, it was uh hey, out by my house.” I waswalking walked outside for a second and I saw it and I was like, “I need to be up there.” And so he did. He grabbed hispack and he took every step he got his ass up there. That’s awesome. You know what’s awesome about thatthough? He shows up like as if he just left straight from his house. He’s inlike slacks in a He’s still in slacks and I swear loafers. I I swear. And it’s like what the heck, dude? It’slike he just I need to be up there and he turned around and just came.We had a we had a lady that uh came andgranted, you know, there’s a bunch of dudes up there. Um this wasn’t meant to be a dude only thing. We did have ahandful of women. I think we had five women. Yeah. Um end up participating. And one of them, she came up, hiked by herself, uhhunkered down, you know, exposed wind the whole time. She’s she’s sitting there, got her jacket on. She’s probably15t away from the fire, just getting ash on her the whole night. And around 4:00 a.m. she’s like, “Well, I got to go towork.” She got up and she hiked down the mountain. She went to work. Um, and to me, it’s like there’s there’ssomething about that type of engagement when when somebody’s like, II I feel drawn towards this and, you know, I’m going to clear the way.There’s obstacles. I’m going to clear the way and I’m I’m going to I’m going to get up there. And I I feel that somuch even in just the work that that you know be um I don’t know if you rememberwhen we were starting to do uh these retreats um the very first retreat youwere like hey do you think you could hook up some of these presentations for us? And for me that was like me seeingthe fire and being like I’m I feel I want to walk towards that fire. I don’t know what’s gonna happen up there, but Iwant to I’m walking towards there. Um, and we started to have that. And there that’s that to me is such a coolmetaphor. Um, you have a fire, people gravitate towards it. It’s beautiful.Yeah. Yeah. I I want to bring up and maybe shift gears just a little bit if you don’t mind. Like the such a big partof it for me. Um, oh, oh, by the way, I got to mention Spoons too. Like talkabout a humble dude just man in the base camp. like he’s just he’s just taking care of it, you know. But anyways, umthe was was were the presenters and I was really um surprisedum by the the feel of community. I mean I I work on Zoom all day. I get it likeZoom works. We love it. Um but just the feel of community like I saw people justlike sitting by fires and um and then person after person that came on justwas so humble and and the message that they shared was so good and I don’t knowhow much content there was throughout the night chase but there there seemed to be a lot.I think we had maybe 15 people come participate some of them a majorityprepared a message. Yeah, that and and I was wondering about the technology upthere. I was grateful that you were up there, Chase, to figure it out and Tyler wasn’t trying to figure it out. Um,but it was pretty cool that you’re on that mountain and I’m down by the fire at somewhere else and then people all across the world, all across the countryare are looking at the fire and listening to these messages. And whatwhat were some of the the the things that stood out in the messages for you guys?Brandon, if I could just tell a quick story with this um because the messaging was really poignant for me. Um but itgoes along with your first point about that idea of the collective energy. You know, we put on this event as a symbolof hey, we are the light here. Whether you see us or not, we’re going to put in the time and effort to be here for youin your darkest night. And um when we got in the car to drive home from thefamily uh from the family party, I put the I put the I put the signal fire onthe audio of our car as we were driving and my daughters were all on their own Zoom feeds watching it. And I hadpreviously invited everyone in my family to to come and be a part of it. Um specifically Lexi, my daughter said,”Yes, Dad. I want to share something.” But the other ones hadn’t shown a ton of interest. And so as we’re driving upthere, I think the first message was from Nate that we caught. We caught it right when Nate started talking and hestarted talking so just so vulnerably about his own experience. And I waslike, “Holy cow, like he’s going there. He’s going for it.” you know, and then it goes silent in my car and you know that kind of hushed feeling that comeswhen it gets like vulnerable and like my car went that way and then Diana came onand shared the the silent night song and so tenderly and so vulnerably shared like some of her story and then thatbeautiful music was echoing through my car and then I hear from the back row I hear my two daughters watching it on theZoom feed and they’re like, “Oh my gosh, look at all the people crying right now.” like holy cow like there’s peopleweeping openly right now and I was like I feel like weeping openly you know andthen I think Joe comes on and shares his like the poem he’s written about his life and his journey and it like lit afire inside of our whole car and by the time we got home I had planned on dropping off the kids grabbing my hikingboots getting in the car driving up the mountain and coming up by myself Lexi was going to stay at home and Brinley mythird daughter of all people who’s the one who least likes to go hiking with me. We park the car and she’s like,”Hey, get your stuff, guys.” And I’m like, “What do you mean get your stuff?” She’s like, “We’re going to the top of that mountain. We got to go up there.”And then she’s like, “And I don’t want to be in the way.” And then Maddie said the same thing. I don’t want to be in the way, but I want to participate.Like, if there’s room for me, I have some things I’d like to share and say. And and I know it was probably a littlebit too much of the the Tyler Patrick family show by the end of it, but for methe gift that was given was we went up to set the signal fire for others. Andwhat the presenters did is they provided a space to light thefire in in my own family. And um it was like this reciprocal energy that I feltwas going on where I wanted to offer more and I could feel people through screens across the country wanting toparticipate and offer back. And um and I feel like we were more enriched thaneven what we maybe gave. I know I was through the whole experience because of the messaging and the willingnessto so like you said, Brandon, humbly and tenderly share such vulnerability. What a gift. It was truly a gift.I don’t know if you saw it, Tyler, but when your girls went and but by the way, when when they shared, it was it was sovulnerable. The just the energy around the fire that I was at was just like Iwould say almost sacred, just just really tender and um but the the on Zoomthe hearts that just started popping off as they would speak just like you just see the you could actually see the love,right? Yeah. It was awesome. Yeah, it was really beautiful. It was It was a cool thing to see. And it’s thekind of thing where I’m like, I my daughters are now catching thevision that I’ve always had, not from me. They’re catching it from other peoplewho are living the vision. And like, how how awesome is that? What a gift.So, um, you know, the one of the conversations that was had up up top washow light begets light. Like it’s just you do some good and it creates aripple. Somebody else does some good and it creates a ripple and you can feelthat. And I I mean it was it was amazing to me from the beginning to the endthose messages. It felt like somebody and had, you know, like had a fire goingand dumped their fuel on top and then another person came and did the same. Another person and it was just a roaringuh inferno by the time we were all done. Um, and I I I do think there’s somethingabout that that intentionality to go deeper. Um, you guys, this is probablythe specialty actually of what what we do is go deeper. like can we go deeper?Is there something underneath that that we could share that’s appropriate? Andum everybody that got on it just kept on going layer layer layer. Um Iit was kind of a a funny thing at first. Um, we had a a a teenage boy that hadhiked up with his dad and that was super cool. And he was on the Zoom call and his mom was on the Zoom call watchingand uh, McCall was like, “Hey, say hi to your mom.” He was like, “Hey, mom.” Like got on the got on the thing and asurprise to me was that my mom was on the call and I didn’t know that she hadthe link or knew what was going on. Um, and for for me to be able to get get onlike, “Hey, mom.” You know, just kind of joking around. But, um, I had ait was really sweet at the very end of kind of the planned presenters, we opened it up and said, “Hey, anybody, ifyou’re feeling something, there’s something on your heart and you’d like to share, please do.” Um, she istypically a person that sits back row and doesn’t want to get in the way. uhdoesn’t want to trouble any waters, doesn’t want to be seen. And she unmutedand said, “Hey, I’ve got I’ve got something I want to share.” And she opened up and she shared herself in away that I I haven’t seen my mom do that literally my entire life. And it it’samazing to me what can happen when people like vulnerability breeds connection.[Music] McCall, I’m kind of wondering, you know, to to Brandon’s question, like, youknow, what were your kind of key takeaways or some of the pivotal moments for you in the experience?There was a lot, but the two that are coming to my mind right now, the first one is actually Brimley.And I think part of the reason for that is because as she was talking about some of the things that she struggled with,My daughter came to my mind. My daughter is13 now. And she’s already expressed like concernabout her body. She’s already expressed concern aboutnot liking her body. And to see likethe process that like Brinley is going through and the courage that she showedto share some of the things that she did was just incredible.And it reminded me like I need to make surethat I I keep that in my mind so that is whether it’s through me or throughsomeone else that I can do whatever it is that I can to help herto try to work through that process to be okay with what her body is and whatit looks like and not just be okay but actually just thrive. live.And so that was one. And and on that note, I did meet with someone today thatwas uh that was there and participating and he’s an editor and I wanted to makesure I let you know and now is a good time. Eddie, he said that she isincredible at writing. like the way that she was able toportray a message so clear and so precise. He was impressed. He was like, I don’tknow that I would change much of it. Um the other thing was actually thismorning and it so it’s this aftermath impact. I meet every Tuesday morning with twowomen from the internal family systems training that I do for like consultationand that kind of thing. And I told them about it last week and they asked how itwent and I was telling them about it and one of them started cryingabout the impact and about the the love that she was feeling and the jealousythat she didn’t participate. And it was just incredible to me thatsomething impacted her in such a way that Ishe will probably be up on the mountain next year. And I love that.Get that impact and that vision out to other people and get that change moving.It’s beautiful. call. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, it’s so crazy how powerful the story canbe when the stories are told properly. And so you have this experience and then you get to go share that story andsomebody who wasn’t even there can still taste of it a little bit and go like, “Oh, like there’s a longing in my soulfor that kind of stuff, right?” And I think that’s what I I witnessed here too is there’s a longing in this world, youguys. Like there’s a longing in this world for connection, for to be seen, tobe held, to be heard. And in so many ways, so many people showed up withtotal strangers and many, many people walked away feeling those things.Do you guys I had a random thing happen to me today. Um do you guys know what Ibelieve it’s called the Enzo. Have you ever heard of that?I think I have maybe I’m getting it wrong. It’s a circle that’s incomplete.Um it’s like a Buddhist thing and um it’s it’s always handwritten.Um and the reason why it’s always handwritten is because it it it uh symbolizesum imperfection. And so it’s a circle that’s that’s wholebut not complete. That’s handwritten and symbolizes imperfection. And that thereason I bring it up is because I I feel like that’s that was kind of the theme of the night in many ways. It was humanbeings coming to the table um imperfectly and having this almostperfect experience together. Um, what I noticed is thevulnerability in the messages would just bring people together and that’s that’swhat McCall was just talking about and um it was it was awesome. It was awesometo connect in that way and to hear those messages. Um, MCL, I know you got to get going,right? So, you can you can bounce whenever you need to, but yeah. No, I appreciate that. And I just want to say thank you real quick cuzwhen I was going through all of the stuff with my wife and her affair andall of that, like I went through like five or six therapists trying to findmore of this, more things that actually matter.And it took me moving to find it. And so I hope that as we do more and moreevents and experiences that people find that courage that they need tocome to sign on to Zoom to participate because there is something here that isso hard to explain and articulate if you’re not there. And so my hope is justas we move forward with whatever hairbrain things Sunrise comes up with,you guys have it too, we get that message out to people so thatthey can actually show up and get that little bit of healing.So thank you guys. Thank you, Mico. Thanks for being a part of it. Like what people don’t know isthe way that things kind of work up here in Logan is Sunny or Chase comes up with thesereally crazy ideas. He presents them to both me and McCall and I kind of sit there and try to figure out how to pokeholes in all of it and McCall’s already started doing it and then I have to follow along and tag along and then wewe end up putting together some pretty cool things once in a while. Um, but McCall like your heart and your yourenergy is such a gift like um and it’s awesome to have you be a part of the team theway that you have been and uh thank you for being here with us today. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you guys.Thanks, McCall. You the man. Love you. Bye. Love you too. UmI want to speak to to something that Chase and I talked about on his episode when he was on with me a couple monthsback. And Chase has a superpower. Uh, and I just want to highlight it. Um, andwhat that superpower is is the courage to follow through. Um, one of the takeaways for me as I wasI was thinking about the whole thing, I was like, he he feels it in his soul.Um, he he feels called to it. And what he does is listen.And then he doesn’t just listen, he then actually moves forward and does it. Howmany people actually do that, Tyler? It’s it’s a hard it’s a hard recipe toget both. You get someone with a great idea and the other one that can implement, but uh very few people actually follow through, especially whenit gets to that little spot. There’s always that pocket of resistance where you’re like, “Oh man, this thing mightnot be a good idea and it’s probably going to fall apart and like I don’t know what’s going to happen.” all the doubts start to set in and all the manit sucks to climb that mountain. I don’t want to go do that again. But somehow you take one step and you put it infront of the other again and again and again and you’re you’re nailing it, Brandon. That’s exactly right. Yeah. It’s it’s awesome. And and and itblesses the lives of of others. And I Chase, I believe you’re doing God’s worklike that. That’s what I believe. And and and you you heed the call. You answer the call. And you did with thisevent because of all the love that it created. Yeah.Um I I’m wondering, you know, I don’t know how much longer we have here, but I’m wondering a couple of thoughts fromyou guys. I have a couple of my own, but are there any kind of real some of theother than what’s already been shared? any kind of real takeaways in terms of the metaphor that that was going or anew metaphors that you came up with or particular instances or experiencesthat were maybe meaningful to you but might also be meaningful to anybody else listening that that you guys would careto share.Um, you know what was really sacred to me was actually the time uh inyou know not trying to dismiss the the program that we had that signal fireside that was wonderful and good but as soonas we hopped off and said farewell we’ll see you guys in the morning.Uh for me it felt like I I can just be here now. I can just be here and be withthese people that are right around me. And um there were some really beautifulum moments, some that were just pure silly, stupid and fun and funny and memorable and like can’t wait to justjournal about that and bring that up in 20 years as you know we’re sitting around another fire and then butsomewhere so moving and sacred being able to have one-on-one conversations with peoplefrom 3 to 4:00 a.m. and you’re you’re sitting on rocks just shivering, got hothands in your gloves, and you’re just trying to trying to keep warm. Um talking about some of the places whereyou’ve been wounded and uh hey, how did how did you get through that? Like, hey,um this is a struggle I’ve got with my kids. How how did you navigate that? and getting that kind of insight and wisdomfrom somebody else um that’s been there. Those moments that was beautiful andsacred to me as well. Um you know, we talked about the sunset andhow amazing and beautiful that was, but the sunrise the next morning waslike the perfect book end. Um, I had we had to hike up a little bit further sowe could have a a better vantage point from where the sun was uh rising. Andtherethere’s some people that are going through some stuff. Um, one of them uhmentioned that this year, this whole year has just been the longest night for their family. It’s been hell. Um,having uh someone close to them attempt multiple times uh suicide. Um, gonethrough struggles with with really addictive drugs, hardcore drugs.Um, and being able to watch them as they’relooking uh for the source of light,like where where’s the sunrise on the horizon? Um, I’m starting to see color,but that’s where it’s coming up, and that’s where I’m going to fix my eyes.Yeah, that was profound. Um, Ty, you mentionedin your in your message that night something that um the three of us havehave a song that we really enjoy and has been meaningful and symbolic just overthis last year. Um, do you remember that song and would you care to share anything about why why youbrought that up? Yeah, I was probably a little jumbled when I was talking because of what had just happened withmy daughters and I was so overcome with gratitude for the other people that were participating and for the just thegoodness of my kids um that I probably didn’t explain it very well but hikingup the mountain. And we we started hiking in the dark and it’s a I couldsee headlights headlamps at different places up the mountain and most of themwere coming down from having been there before and every one of them kind of symbolized this like light to me that Icould just keep moving and I knew where I could go and I knew there were other people and just their lights were almosttheir presence to me and um it made me think of the the hymn the hymn BrightlyBeams Our Father’s Mercy, which kind of references this idea that we as human beings get to an opportunity to be thelower lights in support of the lighthouse, you know, and it uses themreference of being on the seas where there’s a lighthouse and there’s rocks and waves and everything else.and and that we get a chance to be the lower lights that burn. And um that’ssomething that really struck me as with that with that hymn is, you know, everyone of us kind of is equipped to be our own version of a lower light to somebody else. And and every one of us is also ina world where we’re not equipped to go it alone.And we we need others to be the lower light for us. And umI felt so connected to to that idea that I’m never going to be the lighthouseand I’m never going to be so awesome that I don’t need anybody else. Likeit’s built the way that it is on purpose. that you are a certain recipe of beautyand qualities and traits that you get to shine and reflect certain light into people’s lives and Brandon is that andeveryone listening is that for somebody else and everybody else is that for youif if we have eyes to see it and I mean spiritual open emotional eyesto see it. some poor fainting struggling seaman.You may rescue, you may save. Um yeah, that that song means a lot to me and andwhen you shared it, Tyler, like it just it it means a lot um consideringjust some of the stuff that’s gone on in our family and um but uh I if I can share my mymetaphor goes right along with it if if you don’t mind. Um, I I pulled into CashValley, driving down to to toward the fire and we look up on the mountain andand see a light and I say, “Oh, there’s the fire. There it is.” And so, uh, Iwas all excited and and my daughter Sandy’s like, “Yeah, look at it up there. Like, that’s pretty cool.” And wekeep driving across the valley and keep driving across the valley and I’m like, “That fires looks weird.” Like, what iswhat the heck? And I’m like, “That’s not the fire. That’s a candy cane.” Um,it’s like a lit up candy cane on the mountain. That’s a candy cane. And my daughter’s like, “What? You’re crazy, Dad.” Like,”That’s not a candy cane. That’s the fire.” I’m like, I’m like, “I I swear. Do you want to bet?” Like, “That is acandy cane on the mountain.” Like, and uh we get closer and closer and it sureenough is a candy cane. It’s a giant candy cane on the mountain. And I’mlike, “Look.” And she looks and she looks down the mountain and she sees my candy cane and she’s like, “Look up.”And I look up and right above the candy cane is the fire.And um I kind of laughed like I was watching the candy cane all the way in. Um but but then it like symbolism wiseit it made me realize like they’re one and the same. Like you think about what does a candy cane represent?the shepherds. Yeah, the shepherds, right? And Christ shephering us and and andmaking sure that we’re safe. Um and so when I when I think of the fire that wasburning above the candy cane, I think the same thing was happening. Um we werebeing shepherded in just like the song Brightly Beams Our Father’s Mercy. Umsame same thing, right? Um, we were drawn toward that light because justlike you said, Tyler, we’re we’re the fainting, struggling seaman that needs rescuing and needs saving and Christ hasus. Christ has us in his flock um and and keeps us safe as long as as long aswe stay together. So, um it was pretty cool. I I was actually kind of glad Ididn’t see the light for a while because it hit me like, oh, hey, it’s both, right? Yeah. It’s actually kind of cool thatyou drew those connections and and I hear another metaphor in that too, Brandon, with that just those two words,look up. Yeah. You know, like um we thought I I had thesame experience. I was driving in. I was like, I think we just started a forest fire. That thing looks way like too like spread out to be like our fire. And andand I had somebody else be like, “No, look look at it. It’s there.” I’m like, “I know. I see it. Like that’s aproblem.” They’re like, “No, Dad. Look up.” And then all of a sudden I look up the mountain. I didn’t even have thetemplate in my brain to consider that the fire was that high. That high. Yeah.And yet being able to look up. Um I think there’s so much symbolism in that.Look up to who or what? Look up. Bring your feet from off. Bring your eyes fromoff of your feet. Step out of shame. Step out of the darkness. Step into the life that you were designed for. Lookup. See bigger than maybe you even think you could. Yeah. Um, so so beautiful. Um,Chase, is there any last things you’d want to share? Uh, I just want to read some wisdom in the Logan 411 uh Facebook page. Uh,somebody was like, “Hey, did anybody see the fire?” And then somebody else was like, “I was seeing the same thing, too.Glad I’m not the only one.” Somebody else said, “I seen it, too.” Another person said, “I saw at 4:00 a.m. I waswondering what it was.” Last per I saw it at 9:00 p.m., got off work at 6:00 a.m. Saw at home. Wonder what’s going onup there. Last person said probably radio tower maintenance.Yeah, that’s all it was. Yeah, nothing significant to to the rest of the world. It wasradio tower maintenance and to the people who were who were there and part of it, it was for most I think it was a sacredexperience. Yeah. Um, no. I I I I just want to say,man, it is so damn cool working with you guys. And I love um all this randomnessthat we’re getting into that seems random. Um, but then as we dig and uncuncover and uh engage, like just watching these miraclesuh line up one after the next. Um, even the stuff that appears to be obstaclesat first, when we push through and have that kind of grit about it, get to theother side, it’s like, do you see what just happened? Like, Ifeel it. Um, this is such a an important work like redemption,um, true healing and reclamation of the heart.Yeah. Let’s keep it up. Let me ask you some questions and either one of you can answer, but who who iswelcome and who is invited to our community?Since Chase is uh choked a little bit, our community is for really for anyfellow traveler who’s trying striving to climb out of the throws of shame andtrauma and wants to live a wholehearted life. It’s for It’s for everybody, man, woman,couples, like whatever. Like, that’s what was so cool about this event. This was our first event where we actuallydidn’t just have a men’s retreat or a women’s retreat. This was an event that was like come one, come all. And itthere was a lot of cool energy to that. What’s a good way for them to um learnmore, to join the community, to be a part of this? Reclaimyouheart.org.Um, come come sign up. It’s a join the free community and participate in theforums and you’ll get uh little updates about events and experiences that we’rehosting. Um, we’ve got a couple really awesome things queued up for uh the first part of this year. Um, even justjust looking at at some of the planning that we we’re we’re cooking right now and it’s it’s going to be awesome.Yeah. So, yeah. Reclaimyouheart.org. or and and and that you don’t have to come buy anything when you come. Like you can getinvolved, you can learn, you can participate in a lot of the things that we do. Um and it doesn’t cost anything.So um we we we want you in our community if you’re the type of person that umwould enjoy a lot of the stuff that we talked about today. So even if you don’t enjoy it, but you’rewilling to do it. Yeah. If you somehow find meaning in suffering up a mountain to suffer allnight in front of a fire for the sake of some kind of a cause. And I believe me when I say this, everyone hears that andgoes like, who’d want to do that? But there are a lot of people right now going, I will. Yeah, I will. And and that’s that’s what wewant. We want people who want to step into lives where they’re not living according to fear anymore. They’re living according to possibilities andhope and complete authenticity. Yeah. Well, thank you guys. Um, and uh, I loveworking with you guys, too. And if this was helpful for anybody or if you justfelt something in your heart and you feel like, um, maybe you’re already a part of this community, but you feellike there’s someone else out there that could use this, please share it. And until next time, keep on keeping on.