Why Is It Good That We Are Always Dying?

Why is it good that we’re always dying? Brandon, how you feeling, man?Dude, I’m feeling better than ever. Just great. It’s nothing like I went ona hunting trip with you and usually like you’re exhausted, but I took like a three-hour nap on Saturday. Like,great. I think I think we should use the word hunting loosely for this for thisweekend. It was a great weekend. It was a just a great weekend. It was It was a really fun weekend. WeWe got to go down and see some family and we would have been in a prime spot to try to help fill the freezer with somereally high quality organic fed meat, but uh but someone who got to them firstand pushed them all the way back up the mountain. So, yeah. Well, that’s all right. that we had better times just in, you know,imparting our wisdom upon our sons and our our nephews.We had we had what we had your son, a nephew, and then my daughter’s boyfriend.Tell the fire. Tell the fire story. We’re all teenage boys there. And so webasically we get up really really early in the morning. It’s freezing cold. We go and sit and freeze overlooking all ofthese like kind of plateaus of cedar trees looking for the elk to come up out of the fields and uh nothing happens andwe’re all freezing. So, we go to start to build a fire and we figure, well, we’ll sit around the fire for a minute and impart some wisdom to these youngbucks, you know, and uh so we go to build the fireand as we’re getting it started, you know, you’re blowing on the little flame to build the coals to start the heat and then we finally get the fire burning anduh Buck, our cousin, our cousin Buck turns turns to he’s like, “You know, there’s a science to fire. Do you knowthe three things that you need for fire?” And he’s like, “No, what are they?” And you know what are the threethings for fire? You got to have oxygen, you got to have fuel, and then you got to have a spark or heat source. And uhand so we we lay that out to him. He stands there for a second. He’s like and and he’s like s dead serious.He’s like he’s like dead serious. He’s like, you mean to tell me there’s a science to fire? Like why can’t it justbe fire? And you got to know this kid to know howfunny that is. like he’s so you’re telling me there’s a science to this?He’s like why does everything have to be a science?He’s like mad at his dad and there’s a science and fire.So that gets us going on like, well, we’re the older generation. We should be teaching these boys. So we kind ofjokingly start throwing out all the oneliners, you know, like the the famous things that you hear your fathers orgrandfathers say say to you. So, hey, hey, uh, Brady. Um,put our arm around. Boy, boy,seek first to understand before to be understood. I totally b that.Yeah. So, he’d sit there and he kind of like halfway ponder it before like the next guy would put his arm around him and be like be like, “Hey, you want ahappy life? Smile always except when laughing.” Oh man, that’s so deep. like,”Oh, that lucky kid.That lucky kid. It’s all It’s all taken care of now.” We’re like We’re like jokingly doing thevery thing that we actually should be doing. Yeah, I know. Standing standing around a campfire like, you know,that was a good time. We had a good time. It was a good time. And it it really I mean Jo all jokes aside like somethingabout just being up there in the mountains with um with the guys I loveand and having my son there like I was sitting there I I had a moment of likethis is the best. I love it. And it’s crazy cuz we get up early, it’s cold. Umand I’m just sitting there in nature and it’s beautiful and it was awesome. Soit’s good stuff. Um, all right, Tyler, you ready to dive into this one?Yeah, let’s do it. Why don’t you why don’t you give a little bit of the background as to why we’re talking about this and then we’llwe’ll jump in and probably share a couple personal stories, too. But, yeah. Um, maybe I’ll start with uh Ilistened to a a Tony Robbins podcast recently and I know that you have your,you know, opinions on Tony, but um the the he’s the weirdest dude for me. LikeOh, dude, he’s he’s awesome. He’s pretty incredible, actually. Yeah, I’m a fan. Umbut uh anyways, I was listening to him and he was talking about the seasons oflife and how um the the first part of life is the spring where that’s like 0to 20 basically. Um and that you’re you’re just planted. You’re juststarting. Um second part of life is is the summer and that’s when you’re goingyou’re you’re proving yourself. So that’s like 20 to 40. Um you’re seeingif if you’re going to thrive, you’re seeing if you’re going to blossom like and uh and then the the next part 40 to60 or 40 to 70ish is the fall and that’s the harvest. And that’s when you have alot of wisdom, you have a lot of skills, you have a lot of ability, and people actually make the most money in thattime of life. Uh people thrive the most. people uh that they’re they’re more savvy with relationships. They they justthey they do well. Um and so for all you like 50 year olds, if you’re sittingthere thinking, I’m too old, like this is the prime of your life. Like you’re you’re in the harvest years. This isawesome. This is this is the moment. Um and then after that is the winter andit’s a a really special time of life if you’ve done the other three seasons well. Um because you you you now you’reyou you have wisdom and you see through a different lens. You’re not worried what people think about you. There’s noneed to prove yourself and you’re just at peace. And hopefully by then you’refairly stable with your finances and um your relationships and things are goingwell. And so it’s a great time of life. Um, and that’s also a place where youthen get a lot of being able to kind of you almost become the sage of the family where you get to turn back around andactually impart the wisdom that we were making fun of earlier. Yeah. Yeah. We jumped the gun.Yeah. Um, but that’s a that’s a special time in life. But all these seasons areimportant. Um, and the reason I bring this up is because as he was talkingabout this, I was thinking about my own life and looking at it and like it’sabsolutely true. The the things that I’ve been through, the progressions that I’ve seen, the ups and the downs. Andthe truth is is they don’t it doesn’t really stop. It’s just um when ithappens now, it it’s a bit different than when it happened before. Um, and sowhen I say it, what I’m talking about is when life comes in and throws some wrenches at you, when when things shift,when things change. And, um, I think you’re fooling yourself if you believethat that’s not going to happen to you in your life. Um, it’s happened to merecently quite a bit. Um, I have several friends, um, anywhere from doctors tobusiness owners to where things have shifted and all of a sudden they’relooking at having to start a brand new business, um, having to shift theirwhere they’re living because of their income, having to like things are changing in their life. So, it’s notlike they get to 40 years old and it’s like easy street. Um, another thing Tonytalks about is how we as humans both need certainty and uncertainty.And you think about that like that’s they that’s a contradiction. We need both.So if we need both then that interplay between certainty and uncertainty iswhere we live. Um what does that like how does that look for us? What does that mean in ourlives? um if if we’re always navigating that that interplay and like like youthink about it that people are probably thinking like why do I need uncertainty? Well, if you’re if you’re bored,uh how’s that feel? Boredom is one of the top like factors for relapse to addiction. Yeah. It’s top reason whypeople numb their life out is because they’re bored. Um, if you’re not givingany like thing back to the world and you’re not progressing because it’s so comfortable and you’re on easy street,that’s a recipe for depression. So certainty is not awesome. But it isawesome at the same time. It feels safe. It feels safe. It feels good um for a minute.But uncertainty is not awesome and it’s awesome at the same time. So, we’re always we’re always in that um interplaybetween those two, which means our lives are constantly changing and shifting. Umand for me recently,um with some shifts in my life, it kind of throws you out into the world andit’s like, hey, how you going to now figure this one out? How you going to figure that one out? And there’s there’sa couple of ways that you can look at it. Like how can you look at it, Tyler?Well, it depends on your your your focus and your mindset. Either going to look at it in from like a victim set of eyes,like I’ve worked so hard and nothing’s come to fruition and why did I, you know, now I’ve got to start all over. Orit could be looked at with eyes of, hey, this is a natural part of what life isdesigned to be and it’s for my good and and I’m going to learn and grow as a result of it. Do you have any of thosegoing on for you? A lot. You know, I was thinking as and maybe I’ll get into a couple of those personal ones in just asecond, but I just want to add to what you’re saying first, Brandon, to to kind of in my own mind as you’re talking, youknow, you talked about the the 20 year things of the life cycle that Tony Robbins spelled out, seasons,seasons of life. And I’m thinking it’s almost like you could drill down into that and inside of even those seasonsthere have been multiple life cycles in my own life of growing, thriving,harvesting, dying, and then having to look at something new to grow. So it’s almost like a it’s a it’s been multiplelife cycles inside of each season that are now that now have us living righthere in this current life cycle in this season. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So interesting.So it’s like you could almost take you could almost take what the broader thing is that you described and then just kindof say actually I like those 20 those years from 20 to 40 I had you know justif I were to go just around my like career choices I probably had three or four different birth death cyclesof like this is what I’m going to do this is where God wants me to be and then I get almost to that point and I’m like oh never mind like I need to pivotand do something different And and I’m sure my wife is looking at me like what what we just spent the last seven yearslike chasing this like you’re it’s in your fingers right now. Like why are you why are you leaving this? And andbecause of whatever the reasons were, circumstances of life or premonitions or inspiration from God, whatever you wantto call it, there was a pivot that led to stepping into a barren wasteland again and starting to develop somethingnew again. Yeah. Um, and and that birth and growthand then death has probably happened several times just in the last 20 years just around like even right now,Brandon, we’re currently in a different part of a life cycle with what we do with this podcast. Who knows how long that’s going to go on. Who knows howmuch it’s going to pivot, shift, change. Um, right now we’re just in it. Andevery everything is everything everything’s in constant motion. And I think that balance between certainty anduncertainty is for our goodfor the very reasons you just outlined. I was talking to my daughter, my 17-year-old last night, and it’s Ithinking back on she, you know, she was our first and my wife got pretty prettybad postpartum after having her and we were living in Hawaii. Um, so we werepretty much alone out there and um, and I had no clue. I was just like, “Oh,yay, a baby.” Like, “Yeah, this is the best.” And then the postpartum came. We were all aloneand it threw our life into some some chaos. Like, it was it was really hardum for for a while. Um, and um, I just think back on that time andthen I’m I was talking to her last night and she’s just grown up to just be justthe best. I just I just love her so much and all my kids. Um, but I’m talking toher last night and we’re kind of talking about the future and her plans and and things and I’m thinking about like howstable it is with her and how good she’s doing and um how good life is. And youthink back on when we first had her, it wasn’t that way. And now we’re talking about her leaving our house in 6 monthsand everything changing. So, it’s like right when we get to this point of likeshe’s a huge help for us around the house. She’s like awesome, you know,right when we get to that point, it’s like Sanora, peace out. Like, I’ve got to go live my life. And it’s like that’sgreat. I’m looking forward to that. But it’s change. Um, and so this is just an example ofthat eb and flow of life constantly changing 100%. No,I I’m thinking this is going to maybe sound a little bit nerdy, but as you’re talking like I’ve I’ve thought aboutthis for a long time. In my own brain, I call it the Settlers of Katan phenomena.Um, you got addicted to settlers for a while. Let me explain.We can talk about your settlers addiction later. I did get addicted to settlers.He had that box of settlers with him everywhere he went for like for like a year. I I love Settlers of Katan, youknow. Um but but for me, the the thing that always got to me with Settlers of Katan is and it’s kind of outlinesexactly what you’re talking about here is you start the game and you’re like you’re barely existing inside the gameand then you work really really hard and you start building roads and buildings and trading with people andand you have to get to 10 points to win. And about the time you get to eight points, it gets really fun because everytime it goes, every time a turn is taken, you get a whole bunch of resources and you can just grow exponentially and then the game ends,right? When you can do that all the time, you know, and I’m like, it just got fun and now the game’s over, youknow? But you know what else happens, Tyler? Sometimes you get to eight and nobodywill trade with you. So then it’s like getting to that nine and 10. It’s likeSo I remember multiple games where I would be so far ahead of you and Rex that youguys would just like start giving each other stuff just to try to let one of you catch me. So yeah. Yeah. So your strategy sucked. Youalways lose. So no, but like the the point is it’s like that’s that’s kind of what I thinkhappens. Like a lot of people we we live it’s kind of human nature. We live withthis like scratch it out until I get somewhere and when I get that place and when I arrive I’ll be happy.Right. Right. But about the time we arrive at the place that we’ve been scratching for that’s going to prove our happiness.Something happens inside of us where we realize oh that’s kind of like fleeting and that’s not really what I waspursuing or that’s not what’s really good for me and like what next? And then we’re in this kind of crisis of I justspent all this time and energy thinking that I would arrive and arrival would mean or bring some kind of bliss or happiness. And maybe for a fleetingsecond it does. And then we’re like what do I do now? Like there’s anothermountain there. Like I thought I got to the peak of this mountain. I’d be on the top and now look there’s another mountain further up in the distance witha whole bunch of other false peaks I’ve got to climb if I really want to get there. And most of us feel cheated bythat rather than going that’s that’s life. like that’s part of what we do inlife and and why would we do it? Well, I think I I think just sayingthat’s life is like okay great thanks like good. So basically what I heard yousay is okay I’ll never get there and that’s life. Um, if you look at it the way that most of us do, that’s true,right? So, so, but if you look at it through a lens like if you if you takethat’s life and you look at it through a lens of of excitement and gratitude andembracing that that growth and that learning. And I know this is so cliche, but it’s it’s not about the light at theend of the tunnel. It’s about the tunnel. Um, it it’s it’s being in that moment while you’re climbing thatmountain that’s awesome. That’s just so beautiful and so fun and exciting. Um,so when you get to the top of that mountain peak and you look up and you realize, oh, there’s another bigger one over there,instead of like, are you serious? You’re like, oh, sweet. I’m going toenjoy the view here for a minute. um then I’m going to get walking. And uhif you have that attitude, then there’s huge rewards for it. Um and they’redeeper rewards than just like, oh good, I can like figure out how to keep making a bunch of money or whatever. It’s likeit’s a it’s a deep sense of purpose and peace that you get inside of your soulwhen you embrace that eb and flow of life. So yeah, I think and I think what you justsaid, Brandon, this is maybe one of the one of the practices or skills that kind of helps with the shift in thatperspective is to to learn to embrace the experience infront of your face as you climb the mountain rather than waiting for the reward to come when you get to the top.Yeah. You know, so now it’s like you become you learn to you learn to like almost adopt the idea that you are anadventurer rather than an aror.Right. Right. C can I I want to give an example. Um and I hate everything aboutsports right now, by the way. I I won’t go off on that too far, but sports suck right now. Um except for uh a guy namedSignetti. Why are you laughing? You love Signetti.I love him. I love him. Um because I heard I heard he said something thisweekend that I loved and I want to get to that. So So who’s Signetti, Tyler?Signetti is the guy who coach What’s his first name? Kurt or something? Yeah, I think it’s Kurt Signetti. Uh Ihe he coaches Indiana football, which traditionally Indiana has basically beenthe laughingtock of college football because they’re so terrible. And he just won the national championship a couplelike just just a week ago or so. So, Signetti,Kurt Signetti, um he think about this like just justkind of think think about what happened here with him and I think it’s pretty umso s let’s see I want to get it in order here. Umhe previously coached at Indiana University of Pennsylvania from 2011 to 2016. So, Signetti was working underNick Sabin as an assistant who was the who is like one of the best coaches of all time for Alabama.Yeah. And he was making good money and he was he was like 50 years old and hedecided I want to be a head coach. So, he quit his job working under NickSabin, the greatest college coach ever, make at making a ton of money, right?And he I think he took like more than way more than half of his income pay cutto take a job at I didn’t did you know Indiana University of Pennsylvania even existed?No. Nor did I know they would have a football team. Yeah. And he dominated.So So he he he bet on himself. He didn’t care about the income and he changedeverything about his life and was like, I’m stepping into this. Like let’s go do this. And he dominated. And then he thenhe took a job at Elon University, which have I didn’t know. Did you know Elon had his own university? I didn’tknow that. That’s not for him, right? I know. No, I didn’t know ElonUniversity existed. Dominated there. Then he went to James Madison,dominated. He put them on the map. Yeah. And then he took the job atIndiana and just won the freaking national championship. So here’s the thing. Like here’s here’s the point I’mtrying to make. So he won the national championship. How long ago was that? Was like a week ago. A week ago.Yeah. Over the weekend he said, “All right, uh, next season is starting.”So So you think about that. It’s like he got to the top of the mountain, did henot? He’s at the pinnacle. He’s at the top. And what is he saying? He’s like, “We keep we keep moving. Wekeep climbing. Let’s get back to work.” Yeah. like he enjoyed it. He spent a week like he could have probably spent alittle longer. He did he did say he was going to go have a beer and from what I understand somebody offered him lifetime free beernow because he earned that man but but at the same time he recognizes hey likethere’s going to be ups, there’s going to be downs. There’s going to be moments when I’m coaching at Elon Universitylike and so what what do I do in that moment? I bloom where I’mplanted and I do the best I can with it. He his think of his wife like, “Dude,Kurt, like you were at Alabama 5 years ago and we’re at Elon.What are you doing?” And he’s like, “No, like he he intentionallyhe intentionally took two steps back to become the head coach of these teams to do what he was called to do.” And thenhe bloomed where he was planted and he he just he he did what he was built to do.Then he got hired at Indiana and he said, “I’m going to win the national championship at Indiana.”And and mind you, for those of you that don’t know, Indiana was a laughingstock of a program. Um when he took the job,they were one of the worst college football programs in the country. Um and he went and won the nationalchampionship. And I think I I think why I’m bringing him up is this thisprinciple that we’re talking about today in this episode he depicts perfectlyum and and and we’re all in the process of it in our life. If you just if youjust went bankrupt um failing at a business that you tried to start and you’re listening to this episode, that’sa perfect spot for you to be. Like that’s great. If if you’re killing it in life and justdoing so well and and that’s a perfect spot to be, that’s awesome.But the point is is that you’re in the process, that you’re in the arena.That’s what matters, right? That you accept that you’re in a season and justbe in that season and let it bring you what it’s supposed to bring you. Right. Right. That’s that’s the goal. That’skind of what you’re saying. You know, I’m thinking a lot of people right here are listening to this and I’m I’m even having it in my own life right now too,Brandon, where, you know, we were given a challenge by our business coach to consider this question. I’m going topass it along to our audience. Um, it goes right along with what you’re saying.What needs to die in your life right now? Um because because what we do issome of us come to this brink of this season, a change in the seasons, and because we’re so needy to stayconsistent with things, we actually hold on to something that needs to die to create new space for other things. Andit leaves us in a place of increased suffering for a longer period of time because we’re clinging to thenon-reality of our situation or what’s the right thing for our lives. So that could be like to our listeners like whatis it right now that you’re clinging to that actually needs to die? Is it a habit? Is it a the way you use yourmedia? Is it a relationship? Is it a job? Is it a way of thinking? Is it a belief system? Like what what actuallywould be of service to you to die even if it would put you in what feels like adeeper hole for the time being? It’s like it’s like climbing to the top of a mountain. And I hate this Brandon. Whenwe’re at the top of a mountain, you climb, climb, climb, you get to the top and you’re like, “Oh, it feels so good to like have this fresh newperspective.” And and then you look and there’s another dip down a canyon before you have to climb the next mountainthat’s even higher. And losing that elevation feels really excruciating because you work so hard to get it. Andyet it’s necessary to go through the valley to then start climbing again inorder to get to the next destination, the next place of growth, the next perspective, the next whatever that is.And and a lot of us would rather just kind of stay at the top of the first mountain and go, “Ah, that was too hard.I don’t know if I really want to go there right now.” So, does it ever end?like well I think I think it’s not only does it ever end it’s like can we shiftour perspective to I hope it never ends.Um I’m I’m looking forward to the constant growth of ups and downs, deaths and rebirths over and over again in mylife because that’s that’s what adds saber to living and that’s what leads topersonal growth which by the way this is me speaking from my own values. I think one of the top values that any of uscould have in life to have a successful life is to embrace the process of growth.We get we get to grow till we die. So Tyler, what if and and this is like avery real possibility. I want to throw a scenario out to you. Like what do youstress about? You stress about probably your kids and money. And probably like like most people, I stressabout I stress about my my my wife and my kids. I stress about my job, mycareer, finances, and then I stress about um I stress about whether or not I’mmaking the the impact on the world that I was designed to do. Okay. So, exceptfor that kind of last one, what if what if AI came in in like 5 years,fixed all those problems for you? You didn’t have to worry about money. Um, it gave you the perfect tools in yourrelationship. Um, took care of of your health and your kids’ health. Um, and and things werejust on easy street. It was just like, heck yeah. Like, what do I have to work?I don’t have to if I don’t want to. Um, do I have to worry about like healthinsurance? No, because you know, health like medicine is so easy access and it’sso good now. Like, so what if all that was just taken care of for you? Howwould that be? Oh, it’d be awesome. Okay. It’d be awesome. So, would you what would youdo? I think that’s it is like inside of us there’s there’s two parts, right,Brandon? Like there’s the part that like goes, “Oh, yes, please.” Like that would be so nice to not have to worry aboutall those stressors and things because the stressors in life are hard. They take your the emotional energy, yourthought processes. They It would be nice to get a rest from those things, right? We all we all have that part of usinside of us. The problem is is that when we arrived there, there’s also something else that’s built into us thatif we stayed stagnant, we would we’re going to see when when all of this comes to fruition. Brandon,this is what I believe like we’re going to see a massive increase in mentalhealth issues like depression and anxiety because I believe we as human beings are supposed to be engaged insomething that is stretching us and helping us to grow. So just just to kind of reiterate what you’re saying and thisis just a theory according to Tyler um which I actually agree with. um whenlife becomes really really easy, we’re going to have more mental health problems.100%. Um isn’t that fascinating?So then it’s like, well then what is the answer? And and you said it and it was the one I left out, right? Um to like toto be anxiously engaged and think of that word anxious like nobody wantsanxiety. Nobody wants but but a little bit a little bit of of like internalmotivation, a little bit of push, a little bit of ustress or whatever we want to call it is a good thing. To beengaged in a purpose, engaged in a something is we are built as humanbeings to do that. We have to have it in order to feelhealthy and have healthy mental health. Correct.Yeah. It’s funny that that we have both parts in us, which is we have one part that’s actively working against the verymechanism that helps us to to grow and feel good about our progress. We have another part of ourselves that’s like,but I don’t want to do that because that’s really hard and I’d rather have the the peace and the consistency ofjust this nice stable, safe place, which we which we kind of need both. We need aplace to fall back on, you know, and like then we need a place to step back in, right? It’s like, you know, I usedthat analogy a while ago, year or so ago with like watching the salmon try to jump up the waterfall. And there’ssomething in them that won’t allow them to stop until they die. And they try tojump, they fail. They they rest in the pool till they have enough energy again. And then they try to jump again, theyfail. They might do that a hundred times in a day and most likely don’t even everget to the top of the waterfall or have a bear pick them off right when they’re about ready to get to the top. Um butbut it’s in them to both do both try and when you can’t try anymore you rest inthe pool and but but it’s all it’s really doing is building things back up to anotherreally to another attempt at whatever that is that’s built into us. I think it’s built into us as human beings. Iand again this is my own you know people might disagree with this but I everysingle client I’ve ever worked with has something deep inside them that is just like this little sometimes it’s just aspark but it’s a burning force of goodness that wants them to progressand and they spend their lives trying to put a callous over it or trying to numb it out or trying to deny it because theyhave to believe that they’re horrible or not good enough or whatever else. But they will never be able to kill thatspark. And the people who are successful in their journeys are the ones whoactually learn to accept that that spark is there. And then like we talked about earlier, they’re going to add fuel source and oxygen to that spark and thatfire. And then they’re going to li live a life where they go, you know what? Like there’s struggle, there’ssacrifice, there’s challenges, there’s difficulties. And that’s okay. Like the good parts in me are going to embracethose things and I’m going to learn from them. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,I I think of a guy like, as I’m listening to you say this, Tyler, I’m thinking of a guy like Warren Buffett.Um, you look at you look at him and and I think a lot of people sit back and they’re like, why why does that dudestill work? Yeah, good question. Yeah. Like like that dude still putsputs his neck on the line and he could lose a bunch of money in a day. Does he have to do that?No. So why does he do it? It’s a good question we should ask him.Well, and you could take other people, right? Like take take other people who are still grinding, still going, stilldoing, still and to to me it for Warren Buffett, it’s not about the the money.It’s not about the certainty. It’s that he loves investing. He heloves stepping into that arena. And that’s where he finds his purpose. Andso once he got to this mountaintop, so to speak, it he didn’t even look at itas a mountaintop because he knew day in and day out he was just going to keep going forward.And I I we we in our culture, we teach this mountaintop principle over and overand over again. And we’ve talked about this in the past. Oh, yay. I graduated high school. Now something happens.Well, what happens? You’re thrown into a bunch of new stress. It’s a death and a new lifebasically. And yay, I graduated college. And oh no. Does the perfect job just come along andhanded to you like right when you you graduate college? Usually not. And even if it is, it’s still a newchapter. It’s a birth and a new death, a a death and a new birth, right? And then we teach retirementwhere, okay, I’m going to work now for 40 years or whatever and um I’m going toget to this place of retirement. And people, and I’ve seen this happen because mom and dad are retiring andyou know, they they get to that place and it’s like, “Oh, shoot. Uh uh, nowwhat?” Well, the way a lot of people live their lives in a way we’ve been talking about, so that by the time they get to that final plateau, which isretirement, it’s already its own form of death. Yeah. It’s like, “Oh, well, I guess Ijust get put out to pasture now.” And then they’re stuck trying to find meaning and purpose with whatever they have left time-wise instead of going andembracing the same thing that they could have all along, which is there’s so many opportunities here in retirement. Likelook at the influence I and the freedom I have to go be an influence on my grandkids or pick new projects or findsomething else to find meaning in or or actually just truly enjoy what it’s like to finally sit down on a Sundayafternoon knowing you don’t have to go to work on Monday and just enjoy the peace of watching a football game on TV.like um even that most people are uncomfortable with that because they because they’re still like living thatsame old way which is the arrival mentality rather than theprocess mentality. Yeah. Yeah. Isn’t that interesting? Like they still can’tjust enjoy life whatever station they’re in, right? Because they have thatexpectation that they’re going to get to that place and then enjoy life. And so they’re always like two steps behindhaving to figure out how to get to that place to enjoy life, right? It’s it’s a weird paradox that toenjoy your life, you have to embrace that it’s going to be constantly changing, right? And you got to enjoy it now rather thanwaiting till you arrive to enjoy it, right? So let’s face the change when it comes like it’s another season. It’sit’s a new opportunity. Um, it’s another area to grow. And Idon’t think certainty is important too, Tyler. I want to emphasize like don’tintentionally just go create chaos so that you can never get to that mountaintop.Um, but balance the two. I think I think that’s it is embracing when you do getto the top of a mountain, embrace the moment that you get of the sweet view and the nice the pinnacle experience andbreathe that in and expect that and and actually enjoy that for the moment that it is while also acknowledging that it’sthe moment that it is. It’s it’s not going to be something that you stay in the rest of your life. Exactly.Um, so Tyler, we we’re going to wrap up, but I want to uhI want to give a little plug. Um, so Casey, our sister, is uh she’s she’sstepping into some new arenas in her life. And um I’m just really proud of her and for what she’s doing. And she’sI think it’s vulnerable. She’s an artist. She’s always been incredible with art. Um, and so she’s puttingherself out there and she’s created some awesome art. Um, she’s put it on Etsyand uh, like go check it out. So, if you go over to Etsy, it’s Casey Creates Shopand you can find her artwork there. It’s Casey K. I’ll put it in the chat here. See if itworks. Um, Casey creates shop and she’s got just like just it’s like a mix betweenabstract and not abstract art. Um, and with with some real meaning in it and Ijust want her to succeed and she’s climbing her mountain to get to her next one. Um, so check it out Casey CreateShop and you can find all kinds of pictures of all kinds of cool things there. You can download them and printthem and all and and they’re actually very affordable. So, I think you can get them for like eight bucks. So, yeah.You know what’s cool? And we talk about this all the time, Brandon. You know, you’re talking about our sister right now, but it could be any number of theclients that we work with day-to-day. And this is and this kind of speaks to my own values again, but one of myfavorite things in the whole world is to be privy to be a witness or a support tosomebody who is fully in the arena of the life that they’re in where they’re they’re going for whatever that is. Andit’s not just going for it like business-wise, it’s like it’s full engagement. You know, I look at I lookat my oldest daughter right now and she’s got a new she’s got a new birth of a life with a brand new baby. And youknow, she thought she was going to go to school and become a orthodontist. And now she’ssupporting her husband while he’s in med school and she’s a new mother. And she’s just fully embracing what it means to bea new mother and to to experience that life. And she’s going to go through thatlifetime. And just to see her embrace it, to soak it in, to love it, to like to call me up on a given day and belike, I just love being with her all day. And I’m she’s like, it’s even boring sometimes, but I just love it.Um, you know, and I’m like, anyone anyone in the arena of your life andyou’re fully going for whatever you’re doing, whatever that is, I love that. That’s myfavorite thing in the world is seeing somebody just go for it and be in their arena. So, um, it’s a cool thing.It’s awesome. Um, all right, Tyler, thank you for thisdiscussion. This has been fun. Yeah, man. Um, I know we I know we’re both kind of in our own spots indifferent areas of our lives right now where there might be some new births and some and some impending deaths, youknow. Um, but but it’s really good. It’s it’s good stuff. It’s awesome, though.Um, I put the actual link for Casey. So, if you go over to our YouTube, um, youcan just click on the link in the comments and you can get over to her shop. So,cool. Are you here’s some wisdom for all the people that we learned from our grandfather,Tyler. So, so for our whole audience sitting around the the fire here with us today, thank you and um, until nexttime, keep on keeping on.