Energetic Hygiene: What Is It And How Do I Cultivate It?

Energetic hygiene. What is it and how do I cultivate it?Brandon, how you doing, man? I'm not I'm doing okay.Your heart's still beating. You told me that you thought you had a heart attack yesterday. I've had chest pain yesterdaybecause of you. I would have blamed you for my death.I would have been I would have been responsible, but it probably would have still been worth it. Yeah. So, we uh we went and uh we got Brandonto basically conquer his height of his fear of heights and we had him jump off a 500 foot cliff yesterday in thedeserts of Moab, Utah. So, normal day, you know, just jump off that500 foot cliff. Um Oh my gosh. So ourgrandpa 20 I don't know 22 years ago fell off a 900 foot cliff at uhGlacier National Park when he was 85 years old and I was never scared of heights. Um really I could goup to the edge of a cliff and look over. But after that happened it was like nope like I'm not getting close. So yesterdaythey fooled me. I thought I was on a little like jeep ride in Moab like having a good time. We had like themusic blaring and stuff and all of a sudden they pull up to this giant cliff and they're like, "Yeah, what would itbe like to jump off of that and I was like way back like I'm not even going to look over that thing." Next thing youknow, 20 minutes later, I was taking the taking the leap. So, um, you know what's you know what's coolabout that, Brandon, though, is is that you know when we when we got to the cliff before you knew we were going to jump and we're like, "What would it belike to jump off of that?" And you were like joking around and stuff, but then you said something. And you said cuz you were like 30 ft away from the cliff andyou're like this makes me think of Grandpa Harris. Yeah. And uh and then this is going to sound alittle weird, but when I took my turn to jump off, this is going to sound so weird. Um right at the very bottombefore the rope caught me, I felt Grandpa Harrisreally. And I was like I had this like impression go through my whole body thathe felt he felt no pain like um and itwas kind of like this weird spiritual moment I had where I felt like this connection to basically I don't know Idon't know if you could call that his legacy. Well it's interesting Tyler have you been up to Glacier where where he fell?I've never been to the spot where he fell. been there and it's the most incredible view and I justI I felt the same thing of like when he tripped so he tripped and right when hestarted to descend his soul went one way and his body went another uh it's a great way to go when you're 85you know it's a it's a perfect hey after having jumped off and felt that freedom and that pure 100% surrender there is nocontrol left in your life at that moment that feels really really good. Yeah. Yeah. once you can um once you can fully surrender to it.So anyway, I wanted to read a quick review and then we'll dive into our topic today. But we got a great review and we love you guys reviews. So um andI just want to make us feel good today, Brandon, because sometimes the reviews aren't like overly positive, but thisone's a good one. So you can enjoy yourself on this. It says heart and soul reclaimed 100. Dear Tyler and Brandon, Ijust wanted to take a moment to thank you both, not only for what you do, but for who you are. After the rising sunretreat, I feel something in me has truly awakened. Not just my mind, but my soul, my inner child. You helped open adoor that I didn't even realize I had been closed for so long. Through your example, I felt my higher self begin toemerge. The part of me that remembers who have always been beneath the armor, the pain, and the noise. You both have agift, this rare ability to hold space for men to rediscover their hearts. I've never felt so safe, seen, and challengedall at once. You created a brotherhood that transcends words. It's the one that I feel deeply honored to now be a partof. Thank you for embodying what the true masculine strength looks like. Not dominance, but presence. Not perfection,but authenticity. Not preaching, but living your truth. I consider it one of the greatest privileges of my life tocall you both my brothers. Thank you for helping me reme remember who I am and for lighting the path for so many othersto do the same with deep love and gratitude. Whoa. Like that.How often do you get that one, Brandon? That was a That was a great re I mean that's more than a review.Holy cow. That just feel a ton of love right there, huh?I really do just feel feel a lot of love for all the people that we work with and connect to and um that that brotherhoodis real and um that connection is real. So it's awesome. That's I don't I don'tknow what to say. So yeah, just say thank we'll just say thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Um well we have amazing gueststoday so we need to stop like talking amongst ourselves Tyler and get great topic today tooan incredible topic today. So um Jonathan and Jamie welcome to the showguys. Um I will totally botch explain what you guys Before we do this let let me explain howwe got them here. Brandon that sound all right. Um Brandon and I are part of something called conscious business mastery. It'ssomething we signed up for to kind of help ourselves authentically grow as we try to grow our business. And they did aretreat for us the same way we do retreats for like our men's and women's retreats. And we went out there andhappened to maybe the best thing that happened at the whole retreat, which was amazing, was that we met Yonatan andJamie. And um they just have like you guys will feel it, but they just havethis amazing desire to do good in the world. They have amazing hearts of goldand they have a lot to offer. So, um, welcome you guys. Tell us a little bitabout you, uh, about what you do and then we'll we'll jump into some of the questions we had. Thank you. Um, first I just want to saywhat a tremendous honor it is to be here with you guys. We also felt from thatweekend at CBM that the thing that we really took away from that was meetingyou two and how impactful that was for us. um not only seeing the love and thethe presence that you guys bring into the world and what you're doing, which is such an incredible mission, but alsoyou guys brought a lot of clarity for us around our business and how we were going to uh move forward after thatretreat. So, we are um just in in the depths of gratitude for the two of youand thank you for having us here today. um really honored to support whatever itis that you guys are creating in the world because we really believe in what you're doing. Um and so a little bitabout us. I'm Yonatan. This is my wife Jamie. And together we are Word ofMouth. Uh we own a wellness center in West Hollywood, California.And the work that we do is essentially life and relationship coaching. Uh wework with people through different transitions in their lives. Uh people moving through um divorce and alsopeople moving into union and marriage. We work with people who are expecting anew baby and also people who are struggling with the grief of a lost one in their lives. Um, we really helpsupport people move through these big moments in their lives. And themodalities that we use in our work is we in our coaching, we acknowledge themind. But before we get, we we tend to the body first through breath work andmovement. Um, I specifically teach classical Pilates. Jamie is a functionalmovement expert and so we use those modalities to get into the body and thenwe're also both raiki masters and so we we close our sessions up with energywork and sound healing and so we take a very holistic approach to our work ofmind, body, spirit and all of our clients really get this this fulltreatment of their entire being. Um, and what we came here to talk about today isenergetic hygiene. Uh, and this is a a topic that is foreign to most people,but it's our mission to bring this into the light and to bring it to a place where just like everybody brushes andhopefully flosses their teeth every day, uh, this is a practice that people woulddo in order to clear their energy at the end of the day or at the beginning ofeach day. It's awesome. Like you said, I when whenwith the topic of energetic hygiene came up, I was I thought I've never heard somebody use that phrase before. Yourpersonal hygiene, you hear emotional hygiene. We talk about in our in our work, we talk a lot about doing something called your daily charge,which is like kind of an emotional and physical hygiene that you do, but I've never heard it framed in the terms ofenergetic hygiene. And so, I don't know if Jamie, if you could speak to that a little bit more. What's the distinctionbetween those things or how do they overlap with each other? Yeah, I' I'd love to speak to it. Ithink energetic hygiene is something that can include all of those things. Weare energetic beings. Everything in this universe is made of energy. And energycan't be created or destroyed, but it can be transformed. And we live in this world where we have access to so muchinformation. There's so much coming at us. We don't really get a break from it. Whether we're on social media orlistening to a podcast or with our children, we're in it. We're bathing in the energy of our day and our life. Andespecially for sensitive people, we can sometimes absorb the energy that we'reengaging with, whether it's someone's fear or anxiety or stress or even their joy. We can move through our day andsort of start to scoop up this energetic residue. And I think we all have that experience of getting home from ameeting or work or gathering and just feeling like so soul deep drained andnot really understanding why or how to shake that. Energetic hygiene practiceshelp us to engage in difficult experiences, difficult environments, and also know how to take that off at theend of the day so that we can come back home to our center.Go ahead, Tyler. Okay. Yeah. I guess I'm wondering I'm thinking of energy and to me energy seems to be something that'suh when you talk about it, I like how you phrased it, but it seems fluid and in motion. And part of what you'resaying is is that sometimes it's the parts that we cling to or hold on to that cause the the blockage becausewe're not allowing for the comingings and goings of that energy in our lives. Is that part of what you're saying here?Yes. Okay. Yeah. We have um in the practice that we use which is Reiki. It's an energymedicine practice. It comes to us from Japan. Energy healing is something that's been done across the planet forcenturies. But the one that we practice comes from Japan. Um it acknowledges that we have this physical body. It'sdense. We can touch it. We can feel it. Beyond that, you have an energy body. It's that thing that um you two get on aZoom call and you can feel immediately something's up. What's going on with you? That's the energy body. It's notdense. You can't touch it, but you know it. And then we have beyond that the spiritual body. The part of you that connects to something beyond yourself,whatever that means to you. Can I be a little bit like selfish hereand use me as an example as we walk through this a little bit? So,um I just just a couple things and I've I've done some work with you guys andI've I've actually done a lot of work in terms of my own energetic hygiene. I think um but as a therapist, as anempath, um for for years, I didn't andand I it was killing me. It was so youknow I meet with people a lot on the computer and just like you just said Jamie like I still take on their energyand if I meet with them like I meet with a lot of people my my temples get reallytense my eyes I get a lot of tension in my eyesum I'll clench my jaw and I'll grind my teeth at night um I'll be unavailableemotionally for my my kids and my wife um by the time I get home and I tellmyself like, "Yeah, I'm going to leave that all out at the office." But I it just feels like all this crazy energyall around me as I, you know, try to go home and and it's like, yeah, it itshould be just I should be able to just leave it, but I I don't and I I can't. And so, can you give me a few pointerslike tell me like how this works? Mhm. For sure. You want to take this or do you want to take?Well, you know, similarly to if you were as a child, if you were playing at thesandbox and once you were done playing in the sandbox, you wanted to say, "Well, I'm going to leave the sandboxthere and now I'm going to go home." But we all know that's not the case. You gotto come home and you got to you got to shower. You got to really rinse it all off. Sand all over the car,right? And so even just saying, you know, I want to leave this energy at the office,the intention is strong and that's the first step, but it's not quite enough, right? And so coming into a practice ofrecognizing like, okay, I recognize that I've absorbed energy today from myclients and I've probably left some of my energy with them. So first andforemost, I'm going to come into my inner world. I'll use my breath as thevehicle to coming back to center. And then I'll start to recognize that I'veunknowingly or knowingly scooped up some energy that doesn't belong to me. Right?And so I start to channel in and call in my energy from where I might have leftit behind. And as that energy starts to pour in to me, I can then start torelease the energy that doesn't belong to me. And I like to think of it as the energy that I'm calling in, my energyI'm calling back in is this golden energy that's entering through my crown and just pouring back into me. And theenergy that doesn't belong to me that I'm sending back I is like a gray mistthat's coming out of my mouth. But I like to envision that that gray mist has some golden sparkles in it because I'mnot only sending that energy back to where it came from, but I'm sending it back better than I found itwith your true self. Transmuted it a little bit. Yeah. Right. And then that becomes this likethis this process of calling back what is mine, releasing what is not mine, andclearing my energy. The next step is protecting what I'vecultivated. And in that step, I start to envision myself surrounded in an eggshell. OftenI like to think of it as a golden eggshell. Right? And why an eggshell? Because an eggshell allows nutrients,allows the goodness in, allows the sunlight and the oxygen and the the things that we need to survive. itallows it in while blocking the things that don't need to come in.And so once I've established this eggshell of protecting my energy, thenI've cleared my energy and I've protected my cultivated energy. And the final step is then taking some momentsto pour gratitude into myself. Gratitude for my energy. Gratitude for my serviceand sending the energy back to where I found it better than I found it. Gratitude for this eggshell and mydesire to protect and cultivate my energy. And just gratitude for thisheart that's beating in my chest and keeping me alive every single day.Oh, go ahead, Tyler. No, I guess I'm just wondering I'm I'm trying to picture and maybe you guys can correct me if I'meven wrong for doing this, if it's ineffective to do this, but I'm trying to picture like the formula or therecipe that like what you just shared would be what our listeners are looking for. And these are the words that arecoming to my mind. Tell me if I'm missing them or if I'm not picking up the essence of what you guys areactually trying to share here. But I'm hearing grounding which comes through inthis case the example you're sharing came through comes through the breath work tied withmindfulness and awareness that leads to some form of imagery workto go along with that mindfulness and awareness. And then that imagery work leads into the gratitude for formultiple things for your life, your energy, and your body. And so you're kind of attending to all of those thingsat the same time. Those would be like the principles that I'm hearing. Is that close? Would youadd more? You're we have slightly different words for it. And I'll I'll break this down into a really simple three-step process.And you can think of it in three words. First one is clear. So, you've scooped up all that sand. You got to get thesand out of your pockets and you got to take a shower, right? And that's that image of calling your energy back andletting go of what's not yours. And there's a really simple breath practice you can use to do that. So, clear.Second one is protect. That's that visual of the eggshell. Um, especially when we're in work like the two of youare, we have to take our boundaries down a little bit. Um, when we're sensitive people, when we have children, whenwe're when we're like meeting with people on their level all day, sometimes the boundaries get a little slippery andwe start to lose track of where we end and another begins. So, protect is number two. Think of that eggshell sothat you know really clearly where you end and everyone else begins. And then the third step is nourish. So, you'regoing to pour some gratitude into your system. It's really hard to feel anything else when you're feeling grateful. And it's really hard to scoopup things that aren't really going to be beneficial or helpful for you when you're feeling gratitude. Um, you wantto kind of think of that as like your energy diet. When you're eating really healthy, clean foods, you don't so muchcrave that like super greasy, calorically dense food that's not as healthy for you because your body'snourished. It's full. So clear, protect, and nourish are the three steps tocoming back to center and feeling really good moving through the world. I love I love what you just said, Jamie. And andit's like it's so sounds so simple. Um I just think and if you guys could speakto this, a lot of people just are they're just unconscious like they justgrind grind grind grind and they don't stop and and do this hygiene. They don'tyou know and next thing you know they start getting health like issues and all kinds of stuff starts happening.How do you like how do you begin? Like where do you just start? Like let's say you start getting chronic headaches orgut issues or whatever it is like to practice this like what's somethingpractical to just start to do every day? Yeah, that's a great question. Um andI'll I'll share just a brief little story. Prior to doing this work, I was a personal trainer and I worked a lot withinjury prevention and recovery. So I saw a lot of people who had pain in their bodies and what I started to notice isthat there was almost always some sort of emotional or energetic root to it.And through Reiki and the the practices that we use, there's an idea that thingsum our challenges, our physical issues start in the energy body, right? So we're scooping up all this energy. We'renot dealing with it. The body can talk a little louder than the energy body. And so, yeah, things like headaches can start to pop up and can't seem to findthe solution through massage or whatever, like it it doesn't quite do the trick. Um, I would say if you weregoing to do just one thing every single day is that first practice of clearing your energy field.So, just thinking about as you inhale, setting an intention, I'm breathing or calling my own energyback to center. And I like to think about it landing in my heart. That feels like center to me, but some people feelsolar plexes or throat. Calling myself back home. And as I exhale, I let go ofanything that isn't mine. And again, I send it back with love. Better than I found it.Inhale. Call yourself back home. And exhale.Letting go of anything that's not mine.And it's a practice. You can start your day with it. You can practice this after an interaction with somebody where younotice you're starting to feel a little bit offcenter. Maybe that headache is starting to pop up or whatever yourphysical whatever way your physical body talks to you when things are not quite right. Um, but that practice alone willjust get you so clear in your energy body. That's like that's equivalent to brushing your teeth. If you could dothat a couple times a day, you'd be in really good shape energetically. And it does seem so simple. I mean, um,but but it's the kind of thing that is kind of like brushing your teeth where if you brush the way you're supposed to,you don't really do every thing any anytime you brush, but somehow it just keeps your teeth clean and like it keepsthe vessel almost like able to as a conduit for that energy that you're talking about.And I'm guessing and I don't I'm guessing with the three things you shared, I love what you shared and I love that idea of the language you usedthere was something that kind of struck me of calling yourself home. Like that's that's that's a beautifulkind of imagery to me. But the the three things you said, clear, protect, and nourish. And in my head was almost likeespecially in the line of work we do and like you do, there was almost like a a followup. So thatum so that I can now what manifest and offer my best self back to the world isI'm guessing that's what that's for. The hygiene is so that we can be the most pure the best vessel of being able toshine whatever the light is into the lives of everyone around us. Totally. I think in the same way that wetake care of our physical health and there's always a so that right so that I can be the best partner to my husbandand feel energized and good and not be like a cause of worry for my family so that I can feel energized with mychildren so that I can really express myself in the world and give my gifts fully. Those are the reasons I take careof my physical health and they're the same reasons I take care of my energetic health. Um, and we can kind of think of,right, like if you're flossing and you're brushing and you're really practicing good oral hygiene, hopefullyyou don't need a lot of dental work. So, when someone's really deeply practicing this, hopefully they don't need always adeep dive with us. Sometimes when we've lost sight of that, you need a deep dive. You need some support. You need tokind of you need some help getting your system back into health and vitality. that that's when someone would come towork with you guys then is and then I'm guessing they probably come when they're more in the crisis point and then you'reworking from there back to brushing their teeth in essence but but you have to docertain things once it's built up I'm guess I'm picturing like you know energy after energy kind ofstacking itself up packing itself tight inside of the vessel and sometimes there's I'm I'm guessing there's certainpractices there's certain things that have to be done that that probably aren't as simple as that in-n-out breathto kind of help get things moving again with people. It's similar to the trauma work that Brandon and I do. Yeah.Um, you know, when we do something like EMDR, that often is not a very likeeasy, slow, pretty process. It's actually a pretty lively, full of energy. It even feels like hot in theroom sometimes kind of thing, combustible to get it moving. But then once it getsmoving again, then they sort of are able to kind of start recalibrating the story and everything else around it. I'mguessing you guys do some of those types of things too. Yeah, similar from from our conversations around our work. I thinkwe take slightly different angles to very similar problems. And the the commonality that we see is let's say youhave a lifetime of not practicing energetic hygiene or not not actually feeling your emotions fully orexpressing yourself fully. You push it down. You push it down. You push it down. you have many many layers to movethrough to get to a place where you feel like ah I'm I'm I'm navigating clearwater now. But you start to peel the layers off and it gets a little easier. It becomes a little bit less dense as weum work with those layers of energy, right? Let's say this feeling of like,oh, I'm going home and I have this headache and this tension and okay, one day that's one day that's impactful, twodays that's impactful. A decade of working like that, there's some there's some there are somebigger practices that we use to support moving that bigger energy and that more like I would describe it as more densewhen we have a history like that. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, I was justgoing to say that, you know, a couple months ago, we had the pleasure of doinga session with both of you. Both those sessions were very different. I know youguys didn't get to experience it together, but from our perspective, it was very different. And I'm curious whatyour takeaways were um in that process.You want to start, Tyler? I've been talking a lot. You can go, Brandon.I just as you guys are talking I'm like like I'm it's like all these things are firing off for me and that like whatJamie just described I I just feel like I've been really Tyler and I learned alot about empathy over the weekend but I've been really really bad at that uhat the whole process actually but especially the eggshell part like um just taking it on taking it on taking iton for 15 years. Um and really really intense umlike strong sad difficult energy and as you as youdescribe it as dense like that is the perfect word for it for me. Um and so itfeels almost chronic to me where it's like I I've had my own brain fog foryears. I've had this tension in my in my eyes for years. Um and and so it's likewhen I did that session with you, I felt a lift. I felt something some relief. Umbut then my hygiene sucks. Like I I go back to what I've always done, you know,and and then it's like I I I feel like I really need to stop and make this apriority. Um, that's what's going through my head of like I this has to be a priority for me, for my health, for mywork, for my life. Um, so that's that's what's going on inside of me right now.Maybe maybe I'll add and then you guys can decide which way you want to how you want to respond. But my experience withyou guys was awesome. It was it was actually really powerful. It was powerful emotionally. It actually itactually helped alleviate some of my physical symptoms. Um, the place, one of the places where I carry a lot of mytension when I feel like I'm not doing well with my emotional hygiene is right behind my right shoulder blade. And Ifeel this really tight knot, like this heaviness, this like almost like you're s talking about like the denseness of itall. And after working with you guys, I actually felt a big release there. And Ihaven't really had that tension come back since then. Um, I do I do workreally hard at my own version of some of the hygiene. What I really like about what you said here is that callingyourself home part because so much of what I do on my day-to-day morning routine includesdifferent activities that that in some ways also kind of get towards some of these things you're talking aboutand some of those that time in nature and my time to meditate and the breath work that I do every day I think isprobably helping to cultivate some of that. And um maybe this is the dichotomy is I feel pretty good about where I'm atin terms of the flow now and and the hygiene. And Brandon's still going like, "Man, that was awesome." ButI I still have a lot of cavities and you're like, "Hey, like, hey, check out's pretty good."What the dentist say? I can tell you that when life was really at the bottom,Brandon, remember when I went to the dentist? That's why I have all these fake teeth now because uh because the dentist was I'd never had a cavitybefore in my life. And the dentist was like, "You drink way too much soda. You're overweight. Like, you're and andwhat I was doing was working three jobs trying to carry everybody's burdens and and working my own personal recovery atthe same time." Of course, I had like 13 cavities, right? And now now I'm the onewho gets to go to the dentist and be like, "Hey, Brandon, like how many cavities you got?"Yeah. So, I don't I don't know what you guys think of what Brandon and I just said. What I don't know if you guys have aresponse for that or not, but Yeah. You know, we we live in a timewhere the emphasis on success isgo go go. It's martyring ourselves and giving more of ourselves than we cangive so that you know our clients, our families, our the world around us, itgets everything that we have to offer while we don't save very much for ourselves. It's, you know, partly builtinto our culture. It's now exacerbated by social media and the things that we are inundated with the imagery and thevideos and and the messages that that are constantly bombarding our nervous systems. And there's just like never apoint at which it lets up. And soa session with us, right, can unlock some something for you that ifyou are in the process of cultivating these habits and you're you have a strong morning routine and you'remeditating and you're focused on on on breath work and these these little theselittle drops in the bucket, one session could really open you up and get theball rolling in a beautiful Also, if those practices aren't there,one session can kind of open you up and start to agitate what is going on. Andit needs more attention. It needs more love. It needs more focused time andenergy, right? And um what's really beautiful about this work is it's it'severy person is their own journey, right? And so it's not surprising tohear two completely different stories from two completely different sessions. Uh and that you know it really does showus that these like it's like being a little kid when you first learned how to brush your teeth. Your parents made you do it. Youhated it. Nobody liked doing it. It was annoying. It took time. Like you didn't even know what the point was. And nowyou do it. You don't even think about it. It takes 2 minutes. And it's like if you didn't do it, you would have a hardtime going to bed, right? And so it's these things, these just these little little habits that we build over time.And you know, right now there's the four of us on this Zoom call and there's, youknow, in the future there's there or in the present on YouTube, there are listeners that are also engaged in thisenergetic moment with us. But there's also the energybetween us that is present on this call. And the energy is listening.The energy is always listening. That's why it's really important the words that we use, right? We're we're we're castingspells with the words that we're using. We're literally creating our our reality. It's because the energy islistening at all times. And what we teach is really about creating arelationship with the energy. A relationship that when you're in goodrelationship with somebody, you check in. You ask them what they need. You youmake, you know, commitments. You make you you you give parts of yourself to arelationship to nurture and love a relationship. And whether you're whetherwe are conscious of the relationship with that we have with the energy or not, we're still in relationship withit. And so what our focus is is bringing that conscious awareness to thatrelationship. And how do we cultivate and create the best relationship possible?Yes. I I love that. I I think it's um one when one you something you said abouttaking that even that exercise you just did with us of the inhale ground yourself exhale let it all out kind ofthing it seems that and maybe this is a cultural thing maybe maybe I'm the onlyone who feels this way but if I were to take five minutes and do that I know that there would be another part of mybrain and this is something I battle with with my own breath work that's saying you're wasting your time you should focus on this you should do thisyou should be engaged in that you're like it's Like how do youhow how do you get the whole organism to fall in line with how valuable theattending to the energy is? How do you get that how do you get yourself to be convinced that that is worth time worthspending? Yeah, it's it's such a good question and I think it's it's deeply embedded in ourculture at the present moment to to pour out into the world and kind of empty yourself for the world and Yonatan putit really beautifully, right? To to martyr ourselves. Um it's it's celebrated in a lot of ways. And so thefirst thing I want to say is like there's never any blame in carrying thatstory. like you can you can have compassion for the part of you that carries that story that taking care ofyourself is selfish, right? We learned it somewhere and we're bathed in a culture that really supports that idea.Um, and what we've learned through our work and what we've really worked toembody is that when we actually take the time to pour into ourselves until we'refull, which is a radical thing and takes a real commitment to trying somethingnew and building a new pattern, there's this overflow that occurs. And whateveryone in our life gets to experience is you at capacity and you giving from fullness and them not needing to worrylike am I taking too much? Is he okay? Is everything going to be all right? Umand so actually like permission to pour into yourself until you feel really full. And that for a lot of people feelsvery uncomfortable and confronting to start with. So I just want to acknowledge that. But when we take thattime for that breath work, when we take that time for that energetic hygiene, when we take that time to get out intonature, take 10 minutes to ourselves in the middle of a busy day, the quality of who we are and the quality of ourpresence grows exponentially because I'm I'm 100% with you right now.I'm not feeling like, man, I skipped my workout and my hip kind of hurts right now and I'm really hungry because Ididn't eat before this. I rushed into it. Right? when I'm nourished, I can be 100% present and 100% with you. And thegift of that presence for people is so profound and beautiful. And so what youcan a nice reframe when you're someone who's in a in a place of service and really wanting to show up for the worldis is the quality of my presence increases when I'm taking care of myself. And through taking care ofmyself, I'm actually deeply nurturing and nourishing my community. And throughactually giving myself permission to do that, I'm becoming a role model and an anchor for my community to do the same.And I think that's a really powerful reframe that we can make. And it's onethat's culturally impactful and it's impactful to our communities and we canbe gentle with ourselves along the way when we notice that voice saying, "This breath work is a waste of time. There's a hundred other people that I could beserving right now." Mhm. That that reframe that you just gave,I'm going back to the language you use, Yonatan, would be in essence, I'm casting a new spell that's actuallyattending to the language and the energy itself rather than living the old spell,which is you're selfish if you fill your tank. And there's another spell that goes along with that probably that is becauseyou can't trust yourself to actually just overflow into goodness on other with other people. Mhm.So, the reframe is the practice of casting the new spell. Yes.Yeah. A nice just really quick um a nice thingwhen I'm noticing a story or a spell that's not serving me, I'll write it down and then I'll get curious and justask what else might be true. I don't have to negate that that there's a truth to it, but what else might be true? AndI'll kind of list out everything and circle or highlight like what what story or news spell might feel most nourishingto me? What's something I might want to try on that might also be true?Did you say Reiki? Raiki is from Japan. Mhm. Yeah. Um I just I'm I'm kind of having thisthought. I feel like there's this this energy going on um collectively wherepeople are be becoming much more open to um to actual healing, I'll call it. Um,but there's also this stigma still like, um, a lot of people will listen to this.I am such a firm believer in what you guys do. Like I I truly am. And I think everybody needs it. And, um, but a lotof people will listen to this and and be like, "Well, that's just woowoo. That's that like that whatever they're talkingabout, that's not real." Um, and and I'm reminded Tyler and I interviewed a guylast week and he was talking about how women in Cambodia are are never liketaught anything about feminine hygiene. And so when they start their periods, they they just start reacting in theways that they react and they don't know anything and they so they do all this unhealthy stuff and they don't andthey're just unaware. They're uneducated, unaware. They don't know about it. they'veand I kind of feel like that's kind of where we're at. But there's an awakening starting to happen where it's like it'sokay for us to get conscious and to let the stigma go and actually start to umaccept and and fully acknowledge that we are energetic beings and um our healthand our even down to ourselves. Tyler and I were watching this thing yesterday like has everything to do with theenergy that we allow to flow. Um can you guys just speak to that? It's I don'tknow your thoughts on that. Well, you know, one of the things thatis really compelling and in particular in the western world is that Reiki is umRaiki is practiced in over 700 hospitals across the US. Uh science has done a lotof testing on Reiki and has concluded that it's very much real. Uh from ascientific perspective, what what is happening is as you guys know and andI'm sure many of your listeners do too, we've got multiple states of being in our nervous system. Everybody knowsabout fight or flight. We've all heard about fight or flight. We've all learned it in school. And honestly, most of usare functioning on this lower level of fight or flight all the time. There's afew other states of being, one in particular being rest and digest. Most people have never heard of rest anddigest, but that's coming out of the sympathetic into the parasympathetic. Right? Andin that state of being, the body has this superpower of healing itself, ofprocessing energy, processing trauma, of just allowing for movement to take placeenergetically, emotionally, physically. And what Reiki does is it dropssomebody right out of fight or flight and into rest and digest. And so as thepractitioners, we are channeling universal conscious energy. We're focusing that energy on our client, butreally we're creating this sense of safety that the client and their body can dropout of fight or flight and into rest and digest. And the body begins to do thework. The body naturally begins to do the healing. And so, yes, there's thiselement of it that is woowoo magic and and all of that, right? And and I'lleven just be really vulnerable. There's times where I've done I've been in a session doing Reiki and I'm askingmyself, is this even working? Is anything ever even happening? like I I'm not feeling anything and but it's andthen the person comes out of it and they're like oh my god I had this realization and this happened and thisrelease and you know and and so there is this element of rightwe're working with something that you can't touch you can't hold it in your handsbut it is who we are so you know let me there's a couple of tools that I want toshare with you guys and one of them helps with this at least it helped me. Iwant you guys to bring your hands together and I want you to rub them and I invite your listeners to do this aswell is rub these palms together. Start to bring that heat that energy to thesurface. Right now from here just take your hands apart about an inch or two.What do you feel? Some people describe it as warmth. Some people describe it as magnetism orpolarity. Some describe it as electricity or cool. Right? That thatenergy is universal conscious energy. That energy iswhat makes you guys uniquely individuals and also connects you to all livingthings from the beginning of time to the end of time. This connects you to God.the universe. This connects you to us. This is the same energy that is me. Thatis you, right? And it's that simple,but so incredibly profound that we are these energetic beings andwe have all this power inside of us that is just asking to be cultivated.And when you cultivate it, the first place that you're supposed to channelthat energy is inward, is in self-healing, is in pouring into your cup. And when your cup is overflowing,then you turn that out into the world and you start to remind others of theirpower of healing themselves.And I'll I'm going to add a little story to this because I think stories are how we can see ourselves in something. And Irecognize that now at this moment in my life, me talking about energy healing and Reiki and all of this, it might behard to connect to for some of your listeners, right? To your point, it's it sounds a little woowoo, but if I walkyou back 15 years, I was a person who struggled with chronic back pain,depression, anxiety. I was on medication for those things. I struggled with alcohol use. I struggled in myrelationships. I struggled to have relationships that felt quality and grounded and healthy. And I've alwaysbeen a very sensitive person. And what had happened to me is that I had accumulated so much energy that I didn'tknow what to do with. I was pushing it down and it was making me feel tight and constricted and buzzy and in pain. And IIt's interesting. I recently had my driver's license picture retaken and I was comparing this picture from like 15years ago, my most recent to now and I look younger now. My fa the shape of myface has changed and the thing that shifted for me is I started to understand energy. I tried the westernmedical route and it was helpful for a time but it didn't do the trick because I wasn't getting to the root of what wascausing all of this emotional and physical pain. And when I started to understand energy, I started to reallyacknowledge what I was holding on to that was not mine. I started to learn how to let that go. I started to learnhow to relate in a way that felt good and nourishing and healthy for me as someone who's sensitive to energy. Istarted to like people more and to enjoy my social interactions more. Um, andslowly medication slipped away. Alcohol is not a part of my life. And it wasn't through intentional change. It wasthrough just wanting to heal myself and all of those things sort of slipped away. I don't struggle with chronic backpain anymore. And I think those things are very real things that so many people in our population struggle with. Thenumber of people on medication for some sort of physical or emotional pain is incredibly high right now.And I think we can all relate to that and we can recognize that what we're currently doing isn't fully doing thejob. Yeah. Right. It's it's supporting in some ways, but people are getting sicker andand sadder and having a harder and harder time. And I think a big part of that is that we're not acknowledging ahuge piece of the equation. And to your point, people are more open right now because we've reached this sort oftipping point where collective pain is at a high. And um it's it's somethinglike if you feel even a little bit of resistance to it, that's energy. Like even if you're feeling resistance to it,try it. See what happens. See what you notice. Because the potential benefitsof this work of understanding our energy body and learning to work with energy is being able to to move through this worldand feel at peace and really feel whole and grounded and healthy. Even though nothing outside of you changes, you canyou can change this and adjust the way that this navigates through the world.This is awesome, you guys. Um, I know we're we're running short on time and this is great. I'm kind of like I'm I'mactually just kind of sitting in like a calm energy right now just in our conversation. I I kind of don't want it I don't I don't want the conversation toend. I hope our listeners are able to feel some of that too. Um,if could you guys just share a little bit about, you know, anyone who's listening right now that might be interested in learning more or beingable to kind of connect with you guys, what's the best way for them to find you and connect with you?Yeah. So, our website is a great resource. Wordofmouth.lo is the website.You can also find us on Instagram, wordof.lo. And I will share with you too a linkthat you can drop in your show notes that's a um free gift from us. It's that energetic hygiene practice that we didearlier, clearing it and nourishing the energy field. So, it's something that you can pop on and kind of listen to and feel guidedthrough that practice if you are curious about our work but not quite ready to reach out yet.Yeah, that's awesome. I will be using that. Yeah, we we'll definitely put it in the show notes and yeah, we we would love tobe able to share that. Um, man, you guys like thank you so much for your willingness to come on and shareyourselves the way you did today and the tools already. I they're so practical,so simple, but I can already feel like the truthfulness of of a lot of what you've said today. So hopefully if youguys are listening, you're feeling some of those same things. If this is valuable to you, and if you like whatwe're doing here, there's a few things you can do to support us without costing yourself a dime. Subscribe to thechannel on YouTube, rate and review the show, and especially what we're about iswanting to share whatever goodness we have with you. If anything in this episode is meaningful to you, share itwith somebody else who might also benefit from it. And uh we love our listeners. We love our community here.We love you uh Jamie and Yonatan. Thank you for being here. And until next time,keep on keeping